Who was P4P number one at the most advanced age.

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  1. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    (only name genuine P4P number ones, who actually were the best fighter in the world)

    Nobody bother mentioning Bernard Hopkins, he couldn't at any point in time be consisdered the best fighter in the world. Joe Calzaghe when he beat Lacy (days before he was 34) is probably the one that comes to mind over the last decade.
     
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  2. heerko koois

    heerko koois Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Archie moore maybe....
     
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  3. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Up until what point in time (what age?), many people considered high P4P are done so on past achievement (Winky Wright at the moment perhaps.)
     
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  4. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You mean this isn't a Calzhage thread? I'm impressed.
     
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  5. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That depends on the outcome of the the question.
     
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  6. Thread Stealer

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    Roy Jones @ 34
    Bernard Hopkins in the late 30s, early 40s
     
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  7. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    BHOPs was never P4P no1 for me as he had slowed down and threw so little leather, Mayweather succeeded RJJ. Taylor showed BHOPs wasn't good enough to be P4P in that period when he beat him twice. Eastman/Allen/small DLH is not P4P stuff
     
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  8. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    According to the annual Ring ratings, two of the best fighters of 1958 were Archie Moore (~42) and Robinson, who was 37. You had other solid fighters that year including Patterson, Loi, Joe Brown, Ortiz, Basilio... but the best would have to be one of those two.

    I don't believe that Ring inaugurated its "p4p" annual best for another thirty years.
     
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  9. TBooze

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    KO was one of, if not the first magazine to do it in 1980/81 (and they were annual)

    The truth is no one cared pound for pound #1's until the late 80s. Everyone knew was Robinson was Pound for pound the best ever, and that was that.

    Pound for pound rankings only came about because Tyson was so dominant and another talking point was needed.
     
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  10. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Just note for the purposes of this thread, although Jones was considered P4P number one a week before he suffered his first defeat, in hindsight we know in reality he wasn't at that time.
     
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  11. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He consistantly lost a couple rounds to Howard Eastman standard fighters. That isn't P4P number one material for me.
     
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  12. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    Boxing News did its first list in August 1976, although they only continued intermittently. The Top 10 were:


    1. Carlos Monzon
    2. Roberto Duran
    3. Muhammad Ali
    4. Carlos Zarate
    5. Alexis Arguello
    6. Alfonso Zamora
    7. John Conteh
    8. Victor Galindez
    9. Miguel Canto
    10. Alfonso Lopez


    :thumbsup
     
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  13. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    You could say Hopkins. Some regarded him P4P #1. How do you get Calzaghe as #1 pound for pound, and not Hopkins? I think Hopkins had earned as much, if not more, right to call himself #1 as Calzaghe currently.

    If not Hopkins, I would say Robinson.
     
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  14. C. M. Clay II

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    Archie Moore is the first that comes to mind.
     
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  15. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It is more a rule with Hopkins though. He has only impressed once, against Tarver in the last decade. Calzaghe has hammered plenty of opponents, losing a several rounds for Joe is the exception rather than the rule.
     
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