Who was the best fighter with the worst record?

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  1. halbrikj

    halbrikj Member Full Member

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    I say Livingstone Bramble: 40 and 26. He beat Mancini (twice), Brazier, and Carr (robbed), and I think at his best would've given Chavez all he could handle. Gotta wonder why King never made that fight.
     
  2. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    I made this same thread 4 months ago. http://www.boxingforum24.com/showthread.php?t=504063 Here are the examples I used then.
    Dick Tiger 60-19-3
    Emile Griffith 85-24-2
    Jack Britten 103-29-20
    Kid Gavilan 108-30-5
    Tommy Loughran 90-25-10
    Sammy Angott 94-29-8
    Joey Giardello 100-27-8
    Carmen Basilio 56-16-7
    Jersey Joe Walcott 51-18-2
    Fritzie Zivic 158-65-9
     
  3. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Jimmy Young 34-19-2
    Two wins over Rob Lyle
    Win over George Foreman
    Highly disputed loss to Ali many including myself scored (by two rounds) for Young.
    Disputed loss to Norton
    disputed draw with Shavers.

    His style was negative and it cost him. He spoiled fights. Never making them exciting but based on clean punching and making an opponent miss I thought he clearly defeated Ali. I would have to re watch the Norton and Shaver fights. However, Ali, Foreman, and Lyle 2x alone makes for a great resume for a fighter with a pedestrian win loss record.
     
  4. doug.ie

    doug.ie 'Classic Boxing Society' Full Member

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    i was posting about Bennie Briscoe on facebook the other day....his record was misleading if you just look at the numbers....is that the sort of thing we're looking for here ?
     
  5. ForemanJab

    ForemanJab Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    "Tiger" Ted Lowry 66-67 record and nearly beat Marciano.
     
  6. markclitheroe

    markclitheroe TyrellBiggsnumberonefan. Full Member

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    Gotta throw Biggsy in here.
    Ty won olympic gold then went 15-0 before being shoved in with Tyson, Damiani ,Mason,Bowe and Lewis (ALL Peak and unbeaten).Never the same after.
    Even during his 15-0 he was toughly matched.He fought Jeff Sims (WBC ranked 7) before he'd even had 10 fights.
    Career wins over Sims,Tillis,Snipes,Bey,Ocassio and Marin ( who was unbeaten) proves Ty was a good boxer .
    Even in decline it took a good fighter to beat him( Tony Tubbs ,Larry Donald,Mike Hunter etc)
    If his fights had have been picked more carefully,like the careers of Mason or a Bruno or a Damiani his record would have been better.
    He ran into one of the toughest line of opponents imaginable.
     
  7. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Holyfield should be on there, he must have about 10 losses or something?
     
  8. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Teddy (Red Top) Davis was 71-75-6 in his career. A misleading record of his talent. He beat Paddy DeMarco, Percy Bassett, George Araujo, 'Chillin' Charley Riley, Armand Savoie and Paul Jorgensen as well as going 15 rounds with Sandy Saddler for the featherweight crown. Fought out of his weight class continuously throughout his career - which fighters back then did regularly in order to make a buck - and even fought welter Tony DeMarco shortly before the Saddler fight.
     
  9. cleming

    cleming Active Member Full Member

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    Freddie Pendleton (47-23-5, 34 KO) was very good
     
  10. timmers612

    timmers612 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    My nomination, Joe Old Bones Brown, 105-46-13, lightweight champion of the world.
     
  11. DrBanzai

    DrBanzai Active Member Full Member

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    Jimmy Young by a long shot
     
  12. Vince Voltage

    Vince Voltage Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Jesse Burnett, Mike Weaver, Jesse Ferguson were all decent fighters with many L's on the record.
     
  13. jowcol

    jowcol Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hey doug! I think that's what they're looking for.
    Try Jose Gonzalez on for size! Something like 42-20. I've posted a thread on him in the past and no one seems to want to respond.
    From a late fifties welter until his early 70's retirement as a LH.
    Go to BoxRec and look at this guy's wins and losses in that period!
    In a word? One...tough...out!
     
  14. Ken Ashcroft

    Ken Ashcroft Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah, he was 44-10. Anyone just looking at the stats would say there's no way he could have being a great fighter. Same with Roy Jones who will end up with around the same number of losses on his record before he's finally done.
     
  15. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Buster Drayton

    Ezzard Charles

    Kid Gavalin

    Sam Langford

    Original Joe Walcott

    All hugely misleading ...