Who Was The Best Flyweight?

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Who was the greatest at the weight?
    Some candidates.

    Jimmy Wilde
    Pancho Villa
    Benny Lynch
    Pascual Perez
    What say you?
     
  2. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wilde. In his prime he KO's Villa and the rest. Had a 'ammer in his hands.
     
  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Perez or Wolgast at my guess. I can't pick Wilde based upon footage, no way no how.
     
  4. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Is a deep division. Harada and Canto are in the mix as well.
     
  5. bladerunner

    bladerunner El Intocable Full Member

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    Toss up between Miguel Canto and El Nica.
     
  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I kind of feel like Canto is too wee for that style, that he might find himself getting overwhelmed against the quill of the division, but given that he broke the record for defences whilst the division was basically as stacked as it has ever been, he's as good a choice as any.
     
  7. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think I'll go with Harada. He was 27-2 at the weight, with his losses by majority and split decision, looks awesome and beat a couple of champs. One of the 5 greatest pressure fighters at his physical peak.
     
  8. PhillyPhan69

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  9. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wolgast was a wee beastie.
     
  10. Ted Spoon

    Ted Spoon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Jimmy Wilde has a similar reputation at flyweight as Ray Robinson does at welterweight, and rightly so. He was a flyweight who disposed of lightweights, and he often weighed less than 100lbs. Though only snippets of his fight with Joe Symonds (1916) are floating around they are quite revealing.

    There's a contemporary quote about how Wilde countered so fast that the fans could mistake them as leads, and against Symonds you can see what they were talking about as Jimmy attempts to work off most of what comes his way. A far cry from ringside recollections, but when you spot a trend between eye witnesses and old footage you know it's not impossible to separate legend from reality.

    Seven years at the top, beaten by another great when decidedly past his best; the bare statistics do a good job of pulling their weight.

    Fighting Harada is a good shout. His initial victory over Pone Kingpetch was one of the great victories in the weight class.
     
  11. Surf-Bat

    Surf-Bat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wilde looks pretty dangerous to me on film. Like a little Bob Foster, just waiting to drop the bomb in on you that will end the fight.

    Midget Wolgast fought during the toughest time ever, imo. VERY impressive and very underrated.

    Benny Lynch is among the most impressive of the era on film.

    Wee Willie Davies is easily the most underrated.

    How many flys in history would you confidently pick to defeat Fidel LaBarba?;) Yeah, me neither.
     
  12. Chuck1052

    Chuck1052 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Besides fighting an incredible number of top flyweights, bantamweights and featherweights, Midget Wolgast was active beyond his "sell-by" date. Benny Lynch was one fine fighter, but I don't think that he came close to facing as many other top fighters as Wolgast.

    Miguel Canto was the best pure boxer of his day in addition on top for awhile.

    Jimmy Wilde was on top awhile in addition to being one of the best p4p punchers in history.

    In its infinite wisdom, the New York State Athletic Commission withheld recognition of Fidel LaBarba as the world flyweight champion after he won over Frankie Genaro in a bout for at least one version of the vacant world flyweight title in Los Angeles during 1925. Of course, LaBarba was under twenty-one years of age, which meant he could not fight in bouts scheduled for more six rounds at the time. LaBarba also retired from boxing to attend college shortly after winning universal recognition as the world flyweight champion.

    It is hard for me to pick one flyweight as the best. If forced to choose, I'd pick Jimmy
    Wilde for his longevity as a top fighter.

    - Chuck Johnston
     
  13. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    My baised pick is Fighting Harada.
     
  14. louis3749

    louis3749 Member Full Member

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    Really tough to pick, so many greats that are only separated by a split hair. I agree with Chuck1052. Wilde. Though my next pick would be Wolgast.
     
  15. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Niels Holgerson obviously.
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