Who was the best non K hw of the K era?

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Who was the best non K hw of the K era?

  1. Sanders

    1 vote(s)
    1.3%
  2. Peter

    1 vote(s)
    1.3%
  3. Povetkin

    45 vote(s)
    57.0%
  4. Haye

    22 vote(s)
    27.8%
  5. Ibragimov

    1 vote(s)
    1.3%
  6. Valuev

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Chagaev

    5 vote(s)
    6.3%
  8. Someone else

    4 vote(s)
    5.1%
  1. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    One fight does a career make, when it's the right fight. Yeah, Wlad wasn't prime, but not convinced the result would have been much different any other time. That was a monumental destruction. Also, for Peter v Haye, Toneyx2, better than Valuev(who arguably beat Haye) McCline(who was robbed against Ruiz) equal or better than Chisora, Maskaev much better than shot Ruiz, Shufford equal or better than Barrett, Williams better than Audley, Hayes got basically no other wins at hw while Peter still has some other depth. Plus Peter did much better against Wlad than Haye. For those reasons, It's really irrational to rank Haye above Peter or Sanders. Pov is getting way too much love here, but at least I can see an argument for him over Sanders and Peter. None of the others even have an argument.
     
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  2. andrewa1

    andrewa1 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Yeah, Fury wouldn't count.
     
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  3. MAJR

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    It's a weak era and there aren't really any standout fighters.

    In terms of natural talent and ability I think Haye the best of them but he never fulfilled his potential. Povetkin's probably got the strongest resume, and Sanders performed the best against both Klitschko's out of all of them who fought either brother.
     
  4. lawslaw

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    It could potentially be a truly great fight, and one I would definitely pay to see. Sadly they seem to be taking different paths to the belts and it is unlikely to ever happen as they are not getting any younger.
     
  5. BOGART

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    Has to be Povetkin. He's spent each of the last 7-8 years rated as one of the top 2-3 contenders, that's pretty rare throughout heavyweight history.

    His list of wins rates higher than anyone else's on that list and only has the one loss and that was to the top guy of the era. Povetkin is clearly the number 3 guy of the era.
     
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  6. RazzAxx

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    Haye was much more competitive against Waldo than Povetkin was. David Gaye beats Povetkin by a mile in this ridiculous poll. Best boxer of the list is Sanders who was talented, but mediocre HW in era before Klits and he should not be on the list anyway.
     
  7. Liquid Fire

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    Povetkin. Byrd. Haye. Peter. Ibragimov.
     
  8. andrewa1

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    Please, by your own measure Sanders and Peter would both be vastly better than Haye since they did much better against the K's than Haye, moron. Plus Peter has a better resume than Haye outside of the K's, so would doubly be above Haye. Sanders is with this era because he's biggest actions were in and or associated with it. So, wrong on all counts.
     
  9. andrewa1

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    Its Peter 1, Sanders 2, Povetkin 3, and Haye a distant 4.

    Peters got the best combination of performance against Wlad and resume of anyone else. Povetkin beat more top people but wasn't competitive against Wlad when they fought.
     
  10. BOGART

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    Peter was more competitive in the first fight with Wlad but I don't see how that would put him ahead of Povetkin.

    Povetkin has a better list of wins and fewer losses. He also beat Chambers who Peter lost to. Povetkin was also consistently a higher rated heavyweight than Peter ever was.

    Peter had a nice run between his losses to Wlad and Vitali and a few other minor wins here and there but I don't think he should be rated above Povetkin. An upset of Pulev(not that it will happen) this weekend could change things though.

    Sanders has that huge win over Wlad but outside of that he doesn't have enough to overtake Povetkin. Sanders gets credit for blowing out mid level guys like Cole, Czyz, Cooper, DuPlooy, etc but they were still just mid level heavies. Not too mention his loss to Tubbs hurts.

    Sanders had a lot of talent and was an underachiever but he doesn't rate above Povetkin and I think Povetkin would have beaten him in an actual match.
     
  11. Nigel_Uk

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    Haye is easily the most talented but he's not really a heavyweight in this age of the giants.
     
  12. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I chose OTHER.

    Lamon Brewster had a wonderful run as WBO champion. He knocked out Wlad Klitschko. His defenses against Meehan, Golota and Krasniqi were all exciting.

    His loss to Liakhovich is probably still the best heavyweight title fight this century. Just a great, great title fight. And his WIN over Klitschko might be the second-best heavyweight title fight this century. Brewster got off the floor to score a stoppage win. (Can't use the words "great fight" for any of Haye or Povetkin's heavyweight title bouts.)

    Brewster had a better title reign than either Povetkin or Haye. Brewster knocked off Golota in a round when it appeared Golota had deserved to win both the IBF and WBA belts against Byrd and Ruiz (but got robbed of the decisions in both). Brewster beat the German Krasniqi on Max Schmeling's 100th birthday, and all the Germans were prepared to celebrate the crowning of a new German champ. Brewster overcame the odds and scored a big KO in YET ANOTHER great heavyweight title fight.

    Brewster's run didn't last long. But it was very exciting.

    People tend to overlook him because when it was over, it was really over. The Liakhovich fight basically ruined him (and his eyesight). It ruined Liakhovich, too. Just an epic, brutal fight for heavyweights.

    I'd rate him higher "in the Klitschko era" than Povetkin and Haye. They've been around longer, but they just float around the fringes fighting mostly weak opposition.
     
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  13. IKSAB

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    Haye the best of a sorry bunch. Povetkin might just be the most overrated HW of all time.
     
  14. Selenkii

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    almost every post you make is anti white... what the **** is wrong with you
     
  15. The Long Count

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    Povetkin but Brewster should be on the list. Chagaev was good. Haye was talented.

    Good thread.