Who was the best non K hw of the K era?

He never really faced an all time great. He did well to consistently beat contenders of this relatively inconsistent era but when he faced a talented young fighter who took away his size advantaged, he struggled to adapt mid-fight and lost. I always wondered if he faced the ATG's of that era Holyfield, Lewis, even Prime Briggs etc. He was supposed to face Lewis but got stopped by Sanders so that demonstrated where he was at in that era.

 

Peter was overrated. Beat old fat Toney. And arguably lost the first time. Boo-hoo.
His fight with Wlad was barely competitive unless you count illegal knockdowns that he deserved a DQ for.

Sanders...nah. Very dangerous, but a one trick pony. A hit and miss guy and you can't count on fighters like that. Awkward with great power but terrible conditioning and a dodgy chin.

Brewster deserved a shout on the list but doesn't make the cut either. Great power, monster chin and heart but very limited and easy to outbox.

Povetkin - Now we're getting somewhere. Alex is a very complete boxer who is good at everything but special at nothing and has amassed a nice set of wins over the years. A candidate.

Haye - Pretty thin resume but a big threat in a H2H sense. Power, speed and delivery. Did ok vs Wlad. Not a candidatre in my book but it's debatable.

Ibragimov - My pick. Iggy had a good resume for the era. Holyfield and Briggs were very solid wins. He did pretty well against Wlad, I had him winning 3-4 rounds though it was a stinker. A southpaw with a great boxing brain and like Povetkin very complete. Retired too early but is Wlads best win.

 

Barely competitive? Klitschko went life and death and it was him who deserved the DQ for 12 rounds of illegal holding. Lederman was calling for him to be DQ half way through.
How is this an illegal knockdown ? 3:40 in

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Did you actually see Iggy vs Briggs? He was almost 280 pounds in that fight and was suffering from chronic asthma. He was in the worst shape of his life and had to take two years out after it. He couldn't even throw a punch. Go and watch it.
And even worse is the fact that Iggy barely threw anything either. He pecked away at a guy who could barely take a step forward
Lihoavich dominated a lighter Briggs in more dominant fashion one fight earlier . Iggy threw a few flashy combos against an ancient Holyfield , i guess that impresses the casuals , but in reality Iggy was a overrated hypejob with a glass heart and a glass chin. Those two wins mean nothing at all. Tonly had destroyed Holy FOUR years earlier.
He couldn't even beat Ray Austin and was almost taken out by him late... Guess who beat Austin? Harlod Scoiners
I wouldn't put that bum in the top 10 of the post Lewis era.

And to top it off Wlads fight with him was a total embarrassment. Wlad well and truly buried the division that night and it would take years to recover..

 

Life and death? That's bull**** and you know it. The legality of Klitschkos clinching is completely in the refs hands. If you have a problem with it, go ahead and complain to Randy Neumann. I couldn't care less.

What is reality is that 2 of the 3 knockdowns Peter scored were a result of rabbit punching and pushing which doesn't count. Take that round away from him and the scores would have been 117-110. So he won 2 rounds plus the legit knockdown. That's life and death? Humor me more please.

 

Yeah it was life and death.. Clinchko was all over the place , mouth berating , hanging on for deal life, running away. All that against the woeful Peters. If he had to box he would have been sparked out. The video proves he couldn't out -box Peter and deserved to lose by DQ. How bad must to be if you can't out-box Peter ?

Watch Lewis deal with Tua to see how great fighters deal with guys like that . And Tua was a lot better than Sam Peter.


http://www.boxingnews24.com/2010/08...disqualify-wladimir-once-he-starts-clinching/

 

Why don't you go tell me more about how a 275 pound Briggs is a solid win

 

You're out of arguments and it shows. Peter was a walking punching bag for most of the fight. Outside of the knockdowns (2 of which were illegal), he didn't do anything. Klitschko won easily. If you have a problem with the clinching, again, complain to someone else. Clinching is allowed as long as the ref doesn't penalize it. Neumann didn't do his job so Klitschko did his. You gotta deal with that.

And Lewis WAS better than Wlad and would have gotten that bum Peter out of there. But that has nothing to do with our discussion.

 

That same Briggs beat Lyakovich for the title.

 

Peter was always a walking punch bag.. Toney had far less trouble with him then Wlad did. Klitschko went life and death . It was truly a pathetic performance. And the sad thing about it all is that was as good as Wlad gets.
He couldn't even blow through him in the rematch when Peter was fatter and slower... No , the rematch was even a worse illegal clinch fest.

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2010/09/steward-was-telling-wladimir-to-stop-clinching-peter/

I beginning to think you don't know what a dominant performance looks like or how many of these fights you have actually seen.
Go watch Vitali and Helenius against Peter. Then come back to me.. Im sure your mind will have changed as Wlads struggles made both of those guys look like Larry Holmes.
Hell , even a fat out of shape Chambers dominated Peter easier than Wlad.. Go watch that fight as well.

 

Who got dominated for 12 1/2 rounds and got a very lucky stoppage. Would White Wolf be one of Wlads best wins too?

 

Oh shut up already. Wlad did not go life and death. He won 10 ****ing rounds. Did better than Toney and Chambers but worse than Vitali, on that I agree. I realize that you have an issue with the clinching, but that's not my ****ing concern. It's a part of boxing and it's up to the ref to penalize it. And he didn't. Bottom line.

 

So Salido's low blows against Loma were allowed because the Ref didn't penalize him..lololol . Are you a moron or something?

Dry humping guys backs is is an illegal tactic.

 

Low-blowing and clinching is not the same and you know it. Clinching has been an intergral part of boxing for ages. Guys like Jack Johnson and Muhammad Ali are glorified for their clinching expertise. Alis biggest win was a disgusting clinchfest. I never see you calling him out on that.

 

MaCline , another fat useless bum of the K era came very close to stopping Peter in the second round.. He only failed because he was 270 pound and in the worst condition of his career.. And even he didn't go life and death with him.

Peter fought only a handful name fighters and Wlad is the only to guy to survive him by the skin of his teeth..

No great fighter would ever , ever struggle that badly and have to illegally foul round after round just to survive.

 

But isn't it up to the ref i thought

If the ref don't penalize it , it must be ok? Thats what you said..

If excessive holding (without punching) is legal , why did Ferguson and Akawandy lose to Tyson and Lewis by DQ?
Why was Bruno almost DQ'd in the second round in the Tyson rematch.

Ali Frazier II was a clinch fest by Ali yes , but it wasn't remotely close to Wlad going up on his tippy toes so to get more of his weight down on guys backs..
And Ali fought FRAZIER , Wlad was in there against Sam Peters

As if Ali would ever have had to run and cower from Peter hahahahah.

They made the 3rd match without allowing Ali to hold and he won in a lot more impressive fashion... Where was the Povetkin rematch to prove Wlad could win without a single foul? Not a prayer that would have happened because thats the only way Wlad was able to win.