Who was the best offensive fighter between these 5 fighters?

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  1. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    I liked the cut of Vic's topic so i thought i'd do an opposite version of my own. As an offensive machine, who was the best?


    Eder Jofre
    Manny Pacquiao
    Evander Holyfield
    Julio Cesar Chavez
    Freddie Steele
     
  2. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Holyfield or Chavez, they could break down a great defense better than someone like Pacquaio and technically much better and more complete. Steel and Jofre aren't up with those 3 for my money
     
  3. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    Well being more "technically complete" isn't necessarily a shoe-in for best offense. For example Jofre is more technically complete than Holyfield for sure and arguably better than Chavez. Pacquiao's athletic ability and unorthodoxy grant him a Calzaghe/Grebesque type advantage over a lot of different fighters, technically adept or not.

    Steele is a very technically sound fighter, but lacking in greatness compared to the others.

    I'm still not sure who i'd go with.
     
  4. Bonecrusher

    Bonecrusher Lineal Champion Full Member

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    I went with "The Lion of Culiacán" Chavez!!

    I watched Chavez through out his entire career and he was vicious...

    He would break you down, to the body and head..

    He was lethal, tough to pick just one as that is quite a solid list..

    But I settled on Chavez..
     
  5. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I´m not to familiar with Steele....
    it´s between Chavez and Jofre in my opinion......
    Chavez was an awesome counter-puncher (vs Ramirez), had a vicious right hand....Chavez had awesome punching technique....he was better than Jofre in that aspect......but in the other hand I think Jofre was as good as Chavez in body punching and combinations, or even better than JCC....

    Jofre was a pressure guy that was very concerned about defense as well....
    Well, I don´t know, really hard to pick......
     
  6. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    Agreed Vic. I ended up going with Jofre because of his combinations. I also think his selection of sunday punches were better. He also had a deadly uppercut, one of the best i've seen, and a left hook versatile in application and combination.
     
  7. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah, I agree....
     
  8. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Jofre or Steele.
     
  9. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    Care to elaborate on Steele, lord bantamweight?

    I feel like he deserves it considering everyone seems to think his skillset at the very least isn't in that class.
     
  10. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    I think him and Eder have the best combo of power, imagination and technical ability in their punching.

    Chavez and Holyfield are lacking slightly in comparison re power and in holyfields case maybe imagination/finesse.

    Pac is by far the most one-handed of them, but uses what he has really well and maybe has the most overwhelming(yet ultimately predictable)single shot available in terms of how his style is set up around cnsistent delivery of it.

    Overall i prefer the more balanced and still very destructive styles the others have.Not that their is a huge gap between most of these..

    Bantam Jofre
    Middleweight Steele
    130/135 Chavez
    Cruiser Holy
    126-135 Pac Mannaio
    Heavy holy


    140 slower Chavez
    140-147 Pac
     
  11. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    I included Holyfield because I view him as a jack of all trades generalist type and because of his relative lack of explosive or even clubbing KO ability. Interesting that you prefer the FW-LW Pac. I think the 140-early 147 version is better at putting them together, drawing, and picking off punches as well as more balanced with both hands.

    Athletically less intact, but perhaps more well rounded. I guess it's similar to an older Oscar after Mayweather Sr. attempted to balance out his right hand play.

    I included Steele because i thought he would be interesting. Explosive, but not constantly looking to bust off. Mobile, but not ice skating, and a good array of straight punches. a well schooled boxer.
     
  12. lora

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    Pac is certainly more rounded since his pre-morales days which has ensured him able to beat these bigger men in the first place arguably, but compared to other elite or very good natural 140lbers or especially Welters i don't see an exceptional offensive fighter.not when taking him straight up at those weights and forgetting he's more of a 130-135 lber.More a good/very good intuitive unorthodox one, lucky(as Floyd was before him) to stumble into the worst welter half-decade of all-time.

    I agree with you on Holyfield, to me he's more excellent basic fundamentals, balance and athleticism allowing for top-notch hard hitting volume punching.Great at throwing consistent combinations in his prime...not really a crafty or deceptive punchpicker.The most likely of the four to be reeling off pad routines in his head while punching.

    Jofre looks like he's thinking more in there.
     
  13. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think Pac get´s a bit sold short here. I´d put him at three, not the best technically and predictable but also the most overwhelming of the lot. His speed, southpaw stance and angles are a difficult puzzle to solve even for the greats. For me it´s Jofre or Chavez at the top, depending what you prefer Jofre was more methodical, Chavez was more relentless and his bodypunching is the best of the lot. All three guys I´d label as offensive fighters while I wouldn´t label Steele or Holyfield as such. They´ve got a good offense but it´s not the dominating, defining factor of their game.
     
  14. Swarmer

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    That's what i'm saying Bodhi. How exactly do you train for a Hamed/Jones/Pacquiao/Greb/Calzaghe fight? As far as sparring partners go you're not gonna be able to really find an analogue anywhere... Very difficult to test a gameplan against one of those types even if you have seen something in one of their fights.

    Agreed on the pad thing. Holyfield's an interesting character to me because I think that he's the ideal 90's boxer- olympic pedigree, very general style, PEDS... All about fundamentals and basics rather than any sort of master's in a particular style... But at the same time he's a blood and guts warrior, the kind of guy with the chin and heart and will to win similar to any black and white era fighter. An interesting milestone in the continuing duality between boxing as a sport and as a martial art, at any rate.
     
  15. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Between Chavez and Pac.... Chavez could techinichally break a fighter down the best... But Mannys speed and ability to hit you with punches you dont see put him on par with JC.

    Holyfield at HW was not a big puncher(although sharp) so i cant put him with those guys^^^... However at CW he was and he was unstoppable at that weight, so you could make an argument for him at that weight.

    Jofre didnt put as much heat on his opponents those^^ 2.

    Duran at LW or Prime Hearns get the nod over everyone here.

    Im familiar with Steeles career and his impressive power, but to be honest have never watched him on film