Who was the better fighter A Echoles or M Veit?

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  1. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    A question to the fans. Who was the better fighter?

    Antwun Echoles or Mario Veit?

    Look past the hype and how much you recognise one fighter and not the other etc and give your honest answer.

    Now after read on...

    A Echoles lost his debut KO 1 to a 11-13-0 fighter
    then had a MD loss to C Johnson, a draw with E lucas, then lost twice to Hopkins, then later lost to Mundine. Now Echoles has lost many times since but I will end that there, rather than ridicule a brave warrior.

    M Veit has only ever lost to world champs or fighters that went on to become world champs and has a win over current WBO LHW champ Braehmer when he was undefeated.

    Look at common opponent Brewer who put Echoles down 3 times to how Veit dismantled and stopped Brewer clearly.

    Hope this helps people who are deluded by promotion and name recognition, rather than results.

    Please answer the question honestly as to who you thought before reading on and your opinion after :good
     
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  2. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    Come off it bailey, who has/did hype Echols? This is another crack at Hopkins, isnt it?
     
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  3. Taylex

    Taylex Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Brewer was shot when Veit beat him. The problem with Veit is that he can not take a punch and the fact he got stopped by delicate hands Calzaghe emphasizes this. Better wins Veit but 1 on 1 I would pick Echols to win given that he also has decent power.
     
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  4. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    No crack at Hopkins. The point is Echoles was better known and in The Ring rankings when Veit although world rated wasnt even though he had a better resume and career. Its not about the fighters that beat them, but more to try and take people out of the delusional hype
     
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  5. SportsLeader

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    Echols always was a very average figher who achieved little during his career. Veit was better by far.
     
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  6. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Echoles couldnt take a shot either. But look at their resumes and how they performed against respective opponents. Between Brewer losing to Echoles and Veit, he had only lost to Calzaghe in that time and most of his wins were KOs so do you still believe he was that shot :huh
     
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  7. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Exactly. Someone who is not fooled by hype :happy
     
    bailey, Nov 8, 2010
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  8. SportsLeader

    SportsLeader Chilling Full Member

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    Hype? Echols is pretty crap and i've known it for years. Who is saying otherwise?
     
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  9. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    Yes that's how I feel. Who hypes Echols? The only time I really hear him brought up is when people say how bad Hopkins' MW reign is compared to Hagler's. To be fair, Hagler in his reign fought in a better time with better opponents available. Still, Hagler>>>Hopkins. Sorry, I'm a bigger Hagler fan than I am a Hops fan lol.
     
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  10. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    ''delusional hype''? Who hyped Echols? Who? If you call being in the top 10 in The Ring being overrated then you need to re-evaluate things.
     
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  11. SportsLeader

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    Nice choice of avatar :good
     
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  12. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    :goodThanks. I was watching Taylor-Chavez highlights earlier today & a day or two ago someone made comparisons between Taylor-Chavez & Pacquiao-Margarito. Plus Chavez-Taylor fights are a few of my fav fights lol. My next avy most likely will be a poster of Pacquiao-Marquez.
     
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  13. SportsLeader

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    You certainly like your rivals :lol:
     
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  14. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    :lol:

    Dear god techks the amount of rivals you like is crazy:lol: Do you not like fighters who get along very well?
     
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  15. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    :lol:

    :lol: Here's a list of some rivals I like(short version):

    Leonard-Hearns
    Gomez-Sanchez
    Ali-Frazier
    Tyson-Holyfield
    Barrera-Morales
    Pacquiao-Mayweather
    Williams-Martinez
    Robinson-Basilio
    Mosley-Wright
    Hopkins-Jones
     
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