Who was the better fighter, at his peak, p4p? RJJ or FMJ?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Contro, Nov 20, 2023.

RJJ or FMJ who had the higher peak?

  1. FMJ

    5 vote(s)
  2. RJJ

    28 vote(s)
  1. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

    Jun 7, 2016
    I'll go with RJJ.

    I think hes the best fighter h2h at and around his best weight, meaning if all the top guys fought each other in their primes I would expect him to win the most matchups.

    I cant say that for floyd. The guys that gave him serious trouble were nowhere near as good as the truly great fighters with similar styles and attributes. Duran Chavez Whitaker etc eat him up imo

    Also how does he deal with a Paul Williams?
    A younger Oscar? A younger Mosley? Tito? Meldrick Taylor?
    I dont even know how he would do against a Prime Spence or Crawford.
    Last edited: Nov 20, 2023
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  2. Guru88

    Guru88 Active Member Full Member

    Sep 6, 2020
    A prime Jones was the closest thing I’ve seen to an invincible fighter
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  3. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic For the honorable cross and the golden freedom Full Member

    Nov 3, 2021
    I'm going with RJJ. I don't know much about the character, name and work of RJJ, but as far as I know there are no controversial wins.
  4. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Jul 11, 2005
    RJJ was unorthodox, it's much harder to pick up the things he's going to do, to be prepared for what's to happen. Floyd was a perfect classic boxer-puncher, most boxers are taught classic cases from the very beginning, they may be outsped and outthought by him, but they already have learned the skills that are intended to neutralize or counter such things.
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  5. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

    Jan 3, 2007
    Jones was the more exciting to watch. Pressed the action. Scored the knockouts. Possibly more athletic too. But I think Mayweather had better defense and other fundamentals. There’s a reason why he lasted longer into old age… or I should say “ at the world level. “ Jones continues to fight on but he was basically finished as a world class fighter by about the age of 36
  6. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Jan 4, 2008
    Corrales was the fight where I truly thought Floyd looked special, but you'd want him to perhaps separate himself a bit more from Castillo and an ageing DLH if you're going to compare him with peak Jones.

    He did take care of business very well against Gatti and Hatton, though. But not quite the manner that Jones dominated in, I think.

    As for his exploits at WW and SMW it should be said that he usually was the much smaller fighter. Jones didn't give up that amount of size except for when he faced Ruiz.

    But Roy for me. He could both toy with an opponent using his speed and reflexes, and had the power to blitz him at any second. Even at LHW.
  7. Greg Price99

    Greg Price99 Well-Known Member Full Member

    Dec 17, 2018
    I voted RJJ.

    I rank Mayweather slightly higher on my p4p list, but that takes into account longevity. He fought almost exclusively world rated opponents in world title fights between the ages of 21 and 38 and won them all, which is something I give him a lot of credit for.

    As good as Mayweather was at his peak, and he was exceptionally good, I think RJJ at his very best, was even better, relative to their respective sizes.
  8. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

    Jun 14, 2006
    This sums up my feelings on the subject. Likely a lot of other people's too, I imagine.

    Floyd was a truly phenomenal fighter at his peak. I think it's sometimes lost because of his antics and how he only really became a global superstar above his best weight, but he passes the eye test with flying colours. I'm not sure anyone beats him at 130lbs.
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  9. northpaw

    northpaw Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Jun 5, 2010
    Roy, I ain't never think of Floyd as "invincible". I thought of Roy as honest to God invincible. It was really crazy
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  10. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Aug 19, 2010
    Roy. Compare Roys fight with Toney and Floyds fight with Zab for example... "Floyd was not in his prime against Zab" someone will say, I don't know...
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  11. Bigcheese

    Bigcheese Active Member Full Member

    Jun 7, 2015
    I'll go with Floyd. RJJ is the type to dominate guys more and look untouchable but his resume is a bit thin for me whereas Floyd has the style to win close fights. Kind of like how I'd consider Holmes to be a superior heavyweight to Tyson even though his wins are always going look less dominant.
  12. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

    Feb 11, 2005
    Roy was near untouchable for a long time. And he was able to be so while being an offensive fighter. We won't see anything like him for a long time.
  13. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

    Apr 3, 2012
    I back Floyd here.

    The issue is that in between Hopkins and Tarver, who were either competitive or won, he didn't fight anyone special with the possible lone exception of Toney (in his last time seeing 168). And with that said, he still got DQ'd against Griffin and looked flat against Harding until Harding got injured.

    So the aura of invincibility is based on what, beating a flat Toney, 98 Hill, and rematch Griffin?

    Floyd has dominant victories over Genaro, Corrales, Judah, Canelo, and Pac spread out over decades, plus closer wins over Oscar, Cotto, and Castillo without any loses.
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  14. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Aug 26, 2017
    Roy Jones and it's not even close . .Both protected fighters but after seeing JLC beating up Floyd .. that answers the question...
  15. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Jun 26, 2009
    Roy is the best Junior in boxing history.