Who was the better "Fighter of the Decade": Manny Pacquiao(00s) or Roy Jones(90s)?

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  1. 46and0

    46and0 It's irrefutable. Full Member

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    Imagine meeting groups of Rojos and *******s at the same time. It would be awful.:dead:dead:patsch
     
  2. Devildoc

    Devildoc Capo Di Tutti Capi Full Member

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    at least the fighter both groups are rooting for are both cited as boxer of the decade. Too bad *****s can't say the same.

    Kick rocks *****s! :lol:
     
  3. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Jones is far better, he completely dominated everyone who stepped in the ring with him. Pacquaio hasn't dominated as easily, he lost to past prime Morales and in many people's eyes lost twice to Marquez. Pacquaio arguably wasn't even the best in any division he's ever fought in, before Pac beat a shot drained Delahoya people were split on who they rated higher between Pacquaio and Marquez.

    Talk about competition all you want, but Manny hasn't stepped in the ring with anyone on the level of a James Toney or Bernard Hopkins, if he did he'd have 2 more losses
     
  4. MAG1965

    MAG1965 Loyal Member banned

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    Totally different fighters. Manny is a warrior who gets in wars an gets busted up. Roy never fought the consistent level of Manny, but dominated average fighters easily. Who is greater? Hard to say.
     
  5. horst

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    You don't think prime Barrera or prime Marquez were even on the same level as a version of Bernard Hopkins who had only went the 12-round distance twice and had never even fought for a world title before? Your bias is just silly. Don't let the door hit you on the way out, this is a serious discussion in here, no time for your rubbish today.


    Also, the "dominated everyone he shared a ring with" is bull****. Is Rocky Marciano greater than Muhammad Ali because Marciano beat everyone he fought then retired, whereas Ali was on top for two decades and incurred losses because he fought EVERYONE he could both while prime and past-prime?

    Ali's comp was way better, and he fought outside of his comfort zone (ie once age had weakened/blunted him), so obviously he incurred losses whereas Marciano did not. It's much the same case with Pac and Jones, in the decades under consideration Pac's overall standard of competition ANNIHILATES Jones's, plus Pac was fighting outside of his comfort zone for a period (against naturally bigger men) whereas Jones was not. Other than Hopkins and Toney, two fights, Jones didn't fight anyone else that could be considered an HOF calibre fighter near to their prime, so obviously he looked more dominant, because he was beating weaker comp. You think Pac didn't look sensational against Vinny Paz calibre fighters? Of course he did, see the David Diaz fight where he was absolutely punch perfect. It's just that he didn't fight as many of them as Jones did, he fought the great Mexican trio numerous times, p4p guys like Cotto and Hatton, and naturally far bigger guys like Clottey.
     
  6. horst

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    Imagine meeting a Joe Calzaghe fan who wasn't an emoticon-wielding fanboy ****** with no boxing knowledge whatsoever?

    Nah, I can't even imagine that either. The rank-stupidest group of fans on ESB by far.
     
  7. SnakeFist7

    SnakeFist7 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Morales past prime and whooped pacs ass in the first fight. Was coming off a loss to Raheem, who is horrible. The Barrera victory was great. I don't believe he beat Marquez that night, THAT IS MY OPINION. Cotto was a good win (although it should not have been a titlefight at 145....) even though I believe Margo took his heart after that beating, he was softened up. Hatton wasn't a good fighter, he ****ing sucks and was already KO'd by Floyd -- I don't really give Floyd much credit for beating him either, Hatton was a overrated guy... he was not that good, even freddy roach said it. Clottey.. NO. Delahoya victory, he was basically retired and made to come down to a weight that made him a zombie.

    Lets compare the actual GOOD victories. Not cottey or Hatton, Hatton is like Vinny Paz quality.

    Pac is overrated, but so is RJJ. But Pac is more overrated than even RJJ was. Pacs victories often are smoke and mirrors. His best fights were against Barrera, Cotto, and Marquez, Barrera he destroyed, but Marquez he, IMO, pretty much loss both fights. Cotto I still think Margo took a lot out of him and he was not the same, but he was still good. I am not a Pac hater, but this is way overboard. He's more overrated than RJJ ever was. That's why I rarely go into general section.
     
  8. SnakeFist7

    SnakeFist7 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I see you joined recently. Nonsense... you obviously don't know what you are talking about if you are only crediting him with that victory... he beat a lot of quality people at that time, not just beat but pure domination.
     
  9. irish warrior

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    Pac better resume,RJJ better fighter.As a LHW in his prime he was probably as fast as Manny at WW and that aint BS.
     
  10. Imperial1

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    Outside of Morales and Barrera all he really has is Cotto ..

    Both JMM fights were close ,Hatton was an over hyped british bum and Oscar was a dead man in the ring more than anything he was just a name ..And Clotty is far from a legend ..Manny's resume is deep but its not like his is leaps and bounds over Jones ..
     
  11. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    **** off *******, you claiming to have objectivity is a joke, when all you do is jack off over Pacquaio's smoke and mirrors

    No I don't think Barrera/Marquez are on the same level as Hopkins/Toney, because they aren't and never were considered so at the time they were all fighting. Hopkins wouldn't lose for another 12years, MAB was arguably coming off a loss to Morales

    Lets look at Pacs legendary competition:

    Ledwaba - very good win

    MAB 1 - great win despite MAB being slightly faded

    Marquez - he lost

    Morales 1 - he lost against a Morales coming off a loss

    Morales 2 - he beat a Morales who was 1-2 in his last 3

    Morales 3 - he beat a Morales who was 1-3 in his last 4 and would go 1-5 in his 6 fights around this time - WOW *******s start masterbating at this ATG legendary win over a fighter on 1-3 form

    Larios - another fighter coming off a loss and jumping 2 divisions while Marquez, Guzman, Barios, Sotto are screaming for a fight

    MAB - another opponent coming off a loss (notice a patern here) and a now 33yo. Pacquaio looks unconvincing while Marquez, Guzman, Barios, Sotto are screaming for a fight

    Marquez - gets his ass kicked again and another gift

    Diaz - weakest LW titlist, while all the top LWs and SFWs were calling him out

    Delahoya - dead at the weight, a very good win over a Mayweather left over, but Roach talked about how drained Oscar was

    Hatton - good win over a past prime drained Mayweather left over

    Cotto - decent win over a Margarito left over who looked shot in his prior fight

    Clottey - decent win over an average contender
     
  12. horst

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    And this post is why your opinion just stopped counting :good
     
  13. horst

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    Also, I think the majority of people would in fact rank Barrera more highly than Toney in an al-time career greatness p4p type argument. I myself favour Toney as a fighter, he is my 3rd or 4th all-time favourite fighter after all, but I believe you are wrong in saying most people rank Toney higher than Barrera, I don't think they do.
     
  14. horst

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    In the 2000s, Pac fought and beat an overall significantly higher standard of opposition than Jones did in the 1990s.

    This is indisputable to anyone who is not horribly biased (eg PowerPuncher).
     
  15. kobefan

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