Who was the better "Fighter of the Decade": Manny Pacquiao(00s) or Roy Jones(90s)?

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  1. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Epic Fail no1 Hopkins is greater than MAB/Marquez and was rated below Hops when he was no3 rated - which is debatable anyway

    Epic Fail no2 Hopkins was robbed against Mercado, aside from the KDs he won every second of the fight, people who only look at boxrec like yourself don't know this. The only reason you want to pretend Hopkins wasn't prime is to excuse the Jones defeat :deal
     
  2. ImElvis666

    ImElvis666 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    As great as RJJ was, he didn't fight a lot of tough challenges during his prime. he took the Mayweather route for much of his career. Sad really, because he would have beaten all the British and Irish SMW's at the time.
     
  3. horst

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    Defeat#1:You have just admitted you were wrong and have been disproven. You said Hopkins was rated higher when he fought Jones, but Hopkins was not rated ANYWHERE NEAR as highly when he fought Jones. He had never fought for a world title, he had never beaten any top fighters, whereas Barrera and Marquez were viewed as one of the very best fighters in the world when Pac beat them. :smoke

    Defeat#2:Bull****. Let's see your scorecard for that fight then, because you are saying it was 117-109 if you say Hopkins won every round other than the one he was dropped twice in, and that scoreline is complete fantasy. I don't think you've seen the fight. Post your card, or admit you're a liar.
     
  4. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Hypocracy at its finest, your possible the most biased poster on thread

    What is indisputable is the fact Jones fought 3 fighters greater than anyone Pac has in Toney, Hopkins and McCallum

    McCallum/Hill were past prime greats and recently beaten before Jones got in with them - typically Pacquaio opponents :yep
     
  5. horst

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    McCallum :lol: What a moron you are. He looked like the cook out of The Shining by the time he fought Roy.

    You tried to dispute my statement, and boy did you fail with this post. Pac's opposition over his decade was so much better than you can't even muster a decent argument, despite your penchant for distorting reality and talking complete shite.
     
  6. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    1. I was alluding to the fact that Hops has been held in higher regard throughout his career and has always been considered a greater fighter. Hopkins>MAB/Marquez - its not hard to understand unless your suffering from *******ation

    2. :lol: Calling bull**** and calling me a liar when you clearly haven't even seen the fight because it was 2 seperate rounds BHOPs was down in, POPKINS EXPOSED

    My scores are in the below thread:

    http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=186221&highlight=mercado

    Watches Popkins running from his own thread :yep
     
  7. PowerPuncher

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    McCallum was definately well past prime when Jones faced him, just like most of Pacquaio's opponents :yep Morales - shot to ****, Delahoya - at deaths door, MAB 2 - past it, Hatton shopworn, Cotto - ruined by Marg Pacquaio's great comp is a myth, even his trainer talks about how past prime and limited his opponents have been :yep
     
  8. horst

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    :patsch Except you didn't say that and are now trying to change what you said.

    You said:

    Barrera was p4p#3 when he fought Pac, and a 2-weight world champion holding wins over Naseem Hamed and Erik Morales.

    Marquez was p4p ranked when he fought Pac, and a 2-weight world champion having boxed Pac to a draw in '04 and beaten guys like Barrera, Juarez, Gainer and Peden.

    Hopkins was not p4p ranked when he fought Jones, because (a) he had never fought in a world title fight before, (b) he had very limited experience as shown by the fact he had only been the 12 round distance twice before, and (c) who had he beaten???

    In the fight before Roy, Hopkins beat the mighty GILBERT BAPTIST, record 26 wins to 14 losses, having lost his previous fight, and having lost 3 of his last 6 in total. B-Hop beat him on points.

    Two fights before that Hopkins was in with the much-vaunted ERIC RHINEHART, record 12 wins, 14 losses, 1 draw, had lost 4 of his last 6.


    To even suggest that Jones's win over a completely untried and untested Hopkins is better than Pacquiao's wins over proven, prime Barrera and Marquez is exactly the kind of biased **** everyone on this forum has come to expect from you.
    :good


    I'm running from nothing. To say that Hopkins won every second of every round other than the KDs is utterly, utterly ridiculous and gives a completely false picture of how competitive and hard-fought that fight was.

    Leaving aside the fact that you initially said Hopkins won every second of every round other than the KDs and now you seem to have magically scored at least 1 round for Mercado thereby completely contradicting your own post, I suggest you watch that fight again. Joe Calzaghe won every second against Jeff Lacy, Bernard Hopkins vs Segundo Mercado comes nowhere even close to justifying that sort of comparison.
     
  9. horst

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    Similarly idiotic.

    Let me ask you, who is a more difficult opponent, a Cotto "ruined by Marg" (yet still had enough left to beat Clottey and brutalize Foreman) or Bryant Brannon?

    I could go through each mans' resume and make various similar comparisons, but there's no point, anyone with a brain reading this thread knows my point is solid and PowerPuncher would still not get it.

    All in all, there's nothing anyone can say to alter the fact that Pac's comp was stronger over his decade than Roy's was over his - and it's not even close either.
     
  10. Zopilote

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    Popkins, acoording to this logic, shouldn't Joshua Clottey be off the list since that fight took place in this decade, not in the 00's???
     
  11. horst

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    :lol: Yes, you are quite right, I'll check that changed over pronto!! :oops:
     
  12. horst

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    Still waiting for PP to address this point which he ducked:

     
  13. horst

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    Mistake rectified:

     
  14. kobefan

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    popkins,

    i admire the info you are discussing i never thought bhop was fighting bums. i must admit i'm a bhop fan coz i always watch his fights on tv and i'm saddened to know he was fighting bums..

    rjj for me is also a great boxer but i really never scrutinized his career just like what you did.
     
  15. PowerPuncher

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    You clearly haven't watched the fight, as you proved in your initial post. You're not even aloud an opinion until you watch it. I've put forward my card, please do the same, except you can't because you haven't seen the fight, as was clear from you first post, talking about 2 KDs in the same round. I seemed to remember Hopkins winning practically everything in that fight, not quite, but it was 1 sided