Who was the better fighter: PBF or Pea?

Let's not forget that the fix was in on Mayweather's fight with Canelo and to a lesser extent De La Hoya. Mayweather knew to win these fights comprehensively enough to avoid a bad outcome.

 

This might be one of the biggest clownshoes posts I've ever seen on this site. This isn't, who on May's record would beat Chavez regardless of weight; that has got to be one of the dumbest things I've read on here, that said, the question is, WHO on May's Welterweight list in as good as Chavez? You have yet to give me a answer, and do you want to know why, because you HAVE NOBODY ON MAY'S WW list that is even close. This is also the reason you refused to come up with a name that matches McGirt, it doesn't exist. So those are two fighters on Pernell's WW list that May can't compete with. I accept your concession on this point, just like I accept your concession that May ISN'T better at everything than Pea, in fact, I destroyed that argument with ease.

You keep acting like Ramirez wasn't a good fighter, he was, and nobody beat him the way Pea did. He utterly outclassed him with utter ease. Now, remind me again, which LW victory of May are you saying is better? You certainly can't say Castillo, being that May lost that first fight, which again is the point, Pea would've never been bossed like Castillo bossed May that night. Totally different level of activity and commitment. Pea would've bossed him with the jab all night, May couldn't, and lost the first fight on many people's cards. I have still yet to see anyone think Ramirez won that first fight or that Chavez won. Another example on how they separate themselves. May had to adjust to Judah, and lost the first few rounds because of it, Zab would've done nothing with Pernell, he would've got bossed with the Jab, yet again.

You keep skirting around the Hoya argument because you have no answer. A weight drained/past his prime Oscar took May to a split decision win, and didn't look good doing it. Pea, while past his best and already doing coke, lost a controversial decision to a PRIME HOYA. These are worlds apart, and Pea's performance was superior.

I'm genuinely curious, which win at Junior Middle was superior to beating Vasquez? I'm not sure I heard you answer this question, but I'd like to see this answer.

The reality of this discussion is this, you started it by saying May doesn't everything better than Pea in the ring, to which I destroyed that argument. Then you switched it to, May has better wins and looked better across all divisions. Again, I destroyed this argument as well. That simply isn't true.

 

Non point like usual. If May is as good as you claim, why all the weight restrictions to again and advantage? He did so with Hoya, he did so with Canelo, same with Marquez etc etc. Pea never made somebody weight drain themselves to fight at a catch weight like May has... why is that?

 

Canelo>Vazquez
Pacquiao>McGirt
Beating 34 y/o dlh in first dight at 154>losing to prime DLH

Let your head explode.

 

When May BEAT Canelo, he wasn't as good as Vasquez, and frankly it's not close. That Canelo would've lost to Vasquez heads up.

That Pac, and injured and well past his prime Pac, AGAIN wasn't as good as the McGirt Pea beat. It's really that simple. We aren't talking all time, we are talking when they beat them. Context is everything. Try it sometime.

Again, this next one isn't close. A WEIGHT DRAINED and PAST HIS PRIME HOYA, took May to a split decision win. A past his prime and coke'd Pea, took a PRIME HOYA to a controversial decision, one that many think Pea won. Pea performed vastly better against a better Hoya, while being past his best. They aren't close.

Let your head explode.

 

I'll refer to pfp lists on this matter re Pac and Canelo.

Whitaker lost that fight so it's obviously a negative in comparison to Mayweather winning with a size disadvantage. Anyone with eyes could see that Oscar had something left against Floyd.

 

Anybody could also see that he had VASTLY more left when he fought Pea.

P4P lists of what? All time? That would do little good, all that matters is how they were WHEN THEY FACED MAY. Canelo was relatively green and the world level and had beaten next to no one of significance up until that point. He had one quality win, nothing overly special before May. Vasquez was a long time reigning Champion when Pea beat him. I'd say that poops on when May beat Canelo.

 

Although Pea was great, Mayweather in both.

 

I voted Whitaker but I might have erred there.
It might actually be Mayweather Jr.
There are some good arguments put forth here.

 

Nah, your first thoughts were sound buddy

 

Pac was higher pfp than McGirt when the fight took place. Ditto Canelo over Vazquez. If you want green, look at Winky when he fought Vazquez not Canelo against Floyd.

 

P4P mean nothing. What matters in ranking in the division in question. Canelo wasn't rated above Vasquez a a JR. Middle. That is the ranking that matters. Again, Vasquez was a champion who defended many times prior to Pea, we can't say the same for Canelo can we?

I'm glad you dropped the Hoya argument, as Pea performance poops on Floyd's against May.

 

Canelo was unified.

Beating oscar is still better than losing to him.