Who was the better fighter, Sonny Liston or Evander Holyfield?

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  1. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    How is Holy more durable? He was knocked out himself by a blown up middleweight. Liston didn’t “quit” or get knocked out till he was past it. Won the title as an older guy because he was avoided. Was living the good life not training as hard and partying. Like most champs he lost his fire after winning. Holy to his credit did not. But prime for prime Liston was better in every way but speed and PED use.
     
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  2. CleneloAnavarez

    CleneloAnavarez Active Member Full Member

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    Have you even watched that fight? Holyfield's corner threw the towel in after he beat the count.
    Whose fault is that?
    Holyfield fought better and more powerful fighters.
     
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  3. CleneloAnavarez

    CleneloAnavarez Active Member Full Member

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    Holyfield had already beaten the count. Martin KTFO Liston.
     
  4. ThatOne

    ThatOne Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Is that the Toney fight? He was well past it by then. You need to grade washed athletes in all sports on a curve
     
  5. CleneloAnavarez

    CleneloAnavarez Active Member Full Member

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    I am not denying that Holyfield was past it.
     
  6. Bronze Tiger

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  7. ThatOne

    ThatOne Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Re
     
  8. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That’s absolutely Listons fault. I give credit to Holy for always training hard.

    Toney knocked him out. He was done.

    Holyfield did fight better fighters…and he lost to them. With the exception of a slightly out of prime Tyson and a real close controversial fight with Bowe.
     
  9. ThatOne

    ThatOne Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That fight made me dislike Toney , the way he was celebrating beating a washed former great. On the proverbial other hand it shows fighting a faded former great has no upside. If you win you beat a past it fighter. If you lose you lost to a past it fighter.
     
  10. McGrain

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    Holyfield was probably marginally better. I would pick Liston in a fight though.
     
  11. CleneloAnavarez

    CleneloAnavarez Active Member Full Member

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    Liston fought lesser fighters and lost to all of them also. Sonny Liston would have been KTFO in every fight by Lewis and Bowe.

    Even faded Tyson would have killed him.
     
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  12. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ali? Is that a given????
     
  13. Barrf

    Barrf Active Member Full Member

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    Or been intimidated. As a fighter, he utterly lacked emotions such as fear and doubt.
     
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  14. Gazelle Punch

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    Ehh no lol Think you need to watch some more prime Liston fights. I used to hold your view. But the man was a beast. Probably would have beat Frazier as an old man. They didn’t want that smoke.
     
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  15. CleneloAnavarez

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    Did Liston ever beat Ali? No idea who wins between Ali and Holyfield.