Who was the earliest world champion you are convinced used PEDs?

Yeah he knew EXACTLY what he was doing yet in the HOF he goes. That **** has ruined the sport

 

In athletics if you're caught juicing you lose all your medals and records and are generally disgraced (think Ben Johnson, Marion Jones or Armstrong). In boxing you get into the Hall of Fame like nothing happened. I used to like Mosley but now there's an asterisk against his name IMO.

 

Youre right There are a lot more like Mosely that have proven dirty but the State commissions keep covering their backs. Just keep em making $$$$$$ is their motto

 

Armstrong did fail at least one test and the cycling regulatory agency covered it up.

That isn’t to detract from your overall point that many athletes have gotten away with using PEDs without failing tests.

 

Certainly, Ali, with the pills he was popping to cut weight for the Holmes fight.

Highly likely, Michael Spinks when he moved up to fight Holmes.

Thomas Hearns accused Ray Leonard of using steroids in the late 80s after Leonard defeated Hagler and Lalonde. That's why, if you watch a replay of Leonard's ring entrance for the Hearns rematch, Leonard is wearing a padded robe to look like he was musclebound. (You could tell Hearns calling Leonard out bothered him.)

I've always liked Sugar Ray. But I imagine he was probably using them for the Lalonde bout, at a minimum. The Hagler and Lalonde fights came after Leonard called the Michael Spinks-Holmes fights and Leonard saw how they helped Michael Spinks.

Also, Leonard's crash and burn against Terry Norris (when Leonard went from super middleweight back down to super welterweight) wasn't wildly different than Roy Jones' collapse after returning to light heavyweight after the Ruiz fight.

 

Yeah, if you watch the tape of his testimony its sickening frankly. The **** eating "Im busted" grin on his face when he admits it... I was a huge Mosley fan but that killed it for me and also explained his hot and cold performances. Just like Holyfield when I finally woke up and put two and two together. These guys should be anywhere near a HOF.

 

Mosley looks like Rico Tubbs from Miami Vice..

 

The Soviet weight lifters pulled way ahead of the American's in the 50's, and in a chance conversation the Soviet head doctor asked his American counter part what testosteron they were giving their guys. With the revelation that the Soviets were using the Americans started using the steroid Dianabol, that had less side effects than the steroids the Soviets were using but still could cause liver damage if taken frequently.

So the Soviets had a programme for their weight lifters probably at least from the early 1950's and the Americans from 1960. As you say, the Soviet athletes probably suffered badly from side effects, and some on the American team did get permanent liver damage.

Som reading here: http://www.kawasaki-m.ac.jp/soc/mw/journal/en/2006-e12-1/01_kremenik.pdf

 

To answer the thread question, I'm convinced that Morrison took PEDs because he has admitted as much. And he started out as pro in the late 80's, no?

Let's say I'm highly suspicious of Spinks when he made the transition to HW, but I wouldn't say convinced. More or less convinced that Holy used PEDs when he made the transition, but no hard evidence as in the Morrison case.

And, yeah, according to earlier posts there was journeyman boxer who admitted he took steroids already in the early 70's.

 

I love this absolute invented bull**** on Internet.
"Tyson was 200 pounds as teenager"
"Tyson could bench 500 pounds at 12"
Tyson was a porky fat kid but it was not his natural weight, he weighed 195 in the amateurs under the 201 limit when he was 17.

 

OK, so he was 195 not 200 as a teenager ... not bull**** that a teenager can weigh 200lbs. I knew several kids in junior high that were that big - not the brightest bulbs, kept back a year or two, but still large; the teachers were often intimidated by them.

Agree with the ludicrous strength claims - someone said Tyson could incline bench 225 as a teen, which is absurd. I don't pay attention to fanboy strength claims, they've got Bruce Lee benching 300lbs for Pete's sake

 

But i would not call a 17 years old Tyson a "teenager" because the boy was fully developed early. If you use the word teenager with Tyson it would be more appropiate when he was 13, i thought that you was talking about a 13-15 years old Tyson

 

Interesting. I don't know how much of those performances we can pinpoint to steroid use and how much to altitude. Possibly a bit of both. Certainly, the records were broken in the more explosive events by some staggering margins but it was the final Olympics that took place at high altitude. Combine that with a once in every four year event with athletes peaking and you are bound to get some once-in-a-lifetime performances. But maybe not as many as happened in Mexico 68.

 

All of them.

I find it hard to believe any champions are 100% clean.

 

I don't think it's all of them. Either that, or that's just too depressing an outlook for me to support. Plus, it's basically impossible to prove so it's pure conjecture. Not saying you are definitely wrong, just that there is no way we can know. The problem with that viewpoint is that it taints everybody, innocent or not. It also tacitly supports the counterargument that drug use should be allowed in all its forms as it is basically not worth bothering to stop or control it. Neither view I support (again, not saying you must believe that by saying 'all of them' are on it).

But I do think drug testing in sport generally and boxing specifically is woefully inadequate. And WADA as an organisation is not fit for purpose, particularly when it was run by Craig Reedie, who was at his heart a politician with no real commitment to clean sport. At least Dick Pound seemed like he really did want to clean up sport even though he knew it was not possible to do it 100%. He understood that but still made that commitment to try and do it.

Reedie, on the other hand, just wanted to play political games. The handling by WADA of Russia's flagrant cheating was as shameless a response as can be imagined by an organisation whose sole purpose it is supposed to be to protect clean sport.