Who was the earliest world champion you are convinced used PEDs?

Weaver and Norton are fishy no?

 

I read the same about him too

 

On page 26 in this paper there are two witness accounts of the usage in the 1968 Olympics and it is also mentioned that one of the doctors on the 1968 American Olympic high-altitude team advocated medically supervised usage of steroids: http://www.kawasaki-m.ac.jp/soc/mw/journal/en/2006-e12-1/01_kremenik.pdf

 

My view atm is the people caught juicing do not represent all of the people who are juicing.

I really do think it's rife and prevalent in the sport to the point where those who are 100% clean are the minority.

With regards to testing. It's something that should be done at a much higher standard to the point where it isn't worth juicing any more.

 

I dont think so they already looked that way in there Marine pics from the 60's.
I personally dont think so. Weaver still looks great and Norton besides his handicaps looked good til he passed away.

 

Not true. Trash talking was always present in boxing. James Corbett was a well known trash talker. All the other heavy weights of the day...Sullivan, Fitzsimmons, Jeffries....trash talked. Of course, one of the all time best was Jack Johnson, but we wasn't alone in this area.

 

Great info - thanks!

 

Weaver got really fat actually G but you’re right about Norton could I see there Marine pictures? Never seen anything about Kens time in the marines any info or pics would be a treat Bob.

 

I will do my best to find them on my regular computer. I suck at computers lol. Give me a day or two

 

Jack Dempsey smocked crack for the Flynn fight.

 

you would need to be on crack to have the balls to get in the ring with that H2H monster.

 

Bob Hazelton, who was mentioned earlier in the thread, is a good case study, IMO. According to his own (admittedly questionable) account, he only started using steroids after Foreman beat him up. (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1989-01-01-8902220419-story,amp.html)

He was fighting in an era where I suspect steroids were rarer than today among boxers, so we have a better opportunity to see the advantage you might get from steroid use.

Compare his record before and after he started using. Multiple losses in a row beforehand. And then a steady climb afterwards. Not miraculous, but it's a good sized jump compared to where he started: https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/105.

If two fighters are near each other in talent, I would expect the one who uses PEDs to have a big advantage. And most contenders are close to each other in talent. If anybody in the current upper echelons isn't using PEDs, he must have been born freakishly talented even compared with the absolute peak athletes around him. And he must also have an unusually noble sense of fair play.

 

And a further conflated issue is the false apologies of those who use the latter as an excuse to disguise the former.

I prefer those like Chael Sonnen, Lance Armstrong and Larry Olubamiwo who do a full disclosure once they've been caught.

James Toney is still adamant he pissed hot because he was treating a shoulder injury. Do we really believe it?

TJ Dillshaw is adamant he pissed hot because he was injured and cutting weight. Do we really believe it?