Who was the greater middleweight Golovkin or Hopkins?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by iceferg, Apr 9, 2022.


Higher ATG middleweight

  1. Golovkin

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    52.9%

  2. Hopkins

    60 vote(s)
    42.9%

  3. About the same

    6 vote(s)
    4.3%
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  1. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

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    Don’t know what you mean by 5 dollar woman but to each their own.
     
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  2. BCS8

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    He means somebody like Hopkins.
     
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  3. African Cobra

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    I am not a Hopkins fan but he is better than lower case g.
     
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  4. African Cobra

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    There are idiotic fans of lower case g who think he could have beat the fabulous 4.
     
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  5. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Like I said, in complete contrast to B-Hop, GGG's run was fought on the road and in his opponent's backyards, time and time again, and he isn't a filthy dirty serial cheat whose best weapon is the top of his dome. He brings two weapons into the ring not five and he wins cleanly and fairly on the road and in his opponent's backyards.

    This stuff matters.

    For example, had Oscar fought Sturm on the road or in his country he would be 0-2 at MW

    GGG would spark out the soft-chinned Taylor whose resume was largely built off facing 154 pounders. He fought loads of them: Among others, Winky, Spinks, Ouma, Raul Marquez, Alex Bunema, Grady Brewer, Nicolas Cerveza, Alfredo Cuevas, Rogelio Martinez, Joe Garcia. But in addition to that he was also knocked out by almost every legit banger he faced: Pavlik, Froch, Abraham and the only one who didn't knock him out was shot Lacy.

    GGG has fought all over the world but he has never been held to a draw and dropped x 2 by a shaman like B-Hop was the only time he took to the road during his MW run against Mercado.

    And, as said, unlike Oscar and Tito, Clenelo was much improved and better at 160 whereas, they were immeasurably worse up at 160 and at their absolute best down at 147 or even possibly below for Oscar and the fact people are conveniently ignoring the fact that almost the entire boxing world consider GGG vs Clenelo I an absolutely scandalous robbery and that most have GGG 2-0 against him and, at absolute worst, have him 1-1 against a Clenelo who had to jack himself with PEDs for the rematch to make the deck even more uneven in his favour than it already was and GGG was even more past his prime than he was for the first fight is comical.

    Anyone who plays dumb questioning what's GGG's best win is whilst conveniently ignoring it's Clenelo and the only reason that's not an official win is because of corruption rearing its ugly head again which they obviously condone doesn't deserve to get taken seriously.

    Past it John David Jackson is now being cited as a great win for B-Hop even though he lost to a 9-6 lollipop man in his previous fight.
     
    Serge, Apr 11, 2022
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  6. The G-Man

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    11 pages of useless-ness.

    Face it,which ever way you argue it its close(as the poll shows).
    The fact is both their middleweight runs were over weak divisions.
    Hookins had longevity Golovkin had his KO streak.
     
    The G-Man, Apr 11, 2022
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  7. Levook

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    I think some people just read about fights, and don't actually watch them. For instance, we hear lots of downplaying of Hopkins' fantastic body shot KO of De La Hoya (who was never stopped till then & hardly ever dropped), instead they focus on the fact that he beat a smaller man. Did they see the terrific shape Oscar was in, or notice how well he was boxing? He was fighting about the best fight I'd ever seen him fight, and I think the Oscar of that night would've been a hand full for GGG.
     
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  8. vast

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    GGG was better. He was avoided like a plague which robbed him of having a better resume. Martinez, Cotto, Canelo all avoided him at his peak as did others. At his peak he was the most feared fighter in the sport.
     
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  9. The G-Man

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    So how was he better if by your own account he didnt have a better resume?
     
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  10. Boxed Ears

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    Hoskins.
     
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  11. FastSmith7

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    2x Canelo is much better than anything on Hopkins' record.
     
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  12. The Real Lance

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    Can add Oscar added the stip of a 158 weigh in v Hopkins. My guess is, snice he looked 'soft' versus Sturm, this was added to allow him to look and perform better physically.

    3G would have battered that version of Oscar IMO, who simply wasn't an effective MW to be fair.
     
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  13. Levook

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    Oscar was pretty effective against Hopkins, some had it close till the end. He would be no picnic for GGG, but I agree he loses.
     
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  14. Levook

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    I can see that version of ODH lasting to the final bell because of his great chin, but he'd be pretty battered.
     
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  15. Loudon

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    You’ve said that the WBO wasn’t legitimate until 2008.

    So how did Hopkins legitimise it by beating Oscar?

    Have I misunderstood you?
     
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