Who was the greatest and WHY: Oscar v Tito

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  1. Jack Presscot

    Jack Presscot Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hoya didnt dominate **** you Oscarsexual Prostitute. 5 rounds is not dominating a fight. BTW I had Whitaker-DLH 120-109 Whitaker. Highway ****ing Robbery.
     
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  2. Bazooka

    Bazooka Pimp C Wants 2 Be Me Full Member

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    I beleive its Tito Trinidad who is the greatest between these two, and its not becuase of his questionable win against DLH, its becuase of who he has fought and beat.
    Trinidad is always the first to step up when it comes to challenges much like Vargas, DLH didnt want that fight until it was clear that maybe this fight would be safer than expected.
    Same thing with Mayorga, Oscar didnt want to face this man becuase of what he had done to Forrest twice, a man who beat Mosley twice of which Forrest dominated Shane while Shane dominated Oscar.
    I think its safe to say that the title won at Middleweight by Tito held more substance to it , than DLHs WBO title at middleweight, Joppy in my opinion, at that time, was a much more recognized name than was Sturm. infact I dont even know if Sturm had very many pro fights when Tito fought Joppy.
    anyhow, I think there was one point in which Trinidad was the #1 P4P fighter, I am not sure the exact year and hell I could be wrong but there was a point in which I beleive he indeed was.
    Also on a footnote, Trinidad came to fight Hopkins and win, though he was stopped late IMO that looks much better than quitting when someone just taps you to the ribs, I said it DLH Took a ****ing dive against BHop
     
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  3. Jack Presscot

    Jack Presscot Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :good :good :good :yep
     
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  4. bigtime-skills

    bigtime-skills Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Absolutely, Tito is the "fighters" fighter:good
     
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  5. eliqueiros

    eliqueiros Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Of course you did, you're still pissed that Oscar denied your advances in a Las Vegas bathroom. Spurned love is a terrible thing, ain't it?
     
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  6. Jack Presscot

    Jack Presscot Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If I saw Oscar in a Las Vegas Bathroom, I would make an attempt to **** on his suit. (Actually, last year I ran into Freddie Roach in the men's room of the MGM Grand after the weigh in! (I was getting my shoes shined) and I managed to slander DLH to which he responded by sneering at me!:yep
     
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  7. Zaryu

    Zaryu Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I give the edge to Oscar in terms of legacy, mainly because of his accomplishments and the fact that i scored his fight with Trinidad for him. However, I do think that if Oscar kept fighting the way he was at the beginning of the fight he would have gotten stopped. But that's just the impression i get. On a second note, taking nothing away from the legacy wise vision, I do think Trinidad was a better Champion due to his willingness to take on all comers successfully (the more highly regarded ones at the time), he also tried to unify all three of his divisions, and ruled them with an Iron fist. That is however, until he met Hopkins... after that I'm still disappointed that he never made a successful come back. But this I blame it on him for retiring so young and coming back later. I think retirement should only be done once.
     
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  8. LOS

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    :thumbsup
     
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  9. DINAMITA

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    This was my thread and I have to knock off now as I'm finished my shift so back to the real world, but sinosleep I am happy with the thread now as the whole point of it was to get some good serious debate on the subject going, and even if I don't agree with you, you put forward a strong, logical, well-argued case for Trinidad, and yeah it has made me think about the issue again- briefly! :D . I'm really glad you did post this as otherwise the pro-Trinidad view was being represented only by the ever-incompetent and dim DaveTheGreat, and the biased baby boy that is JackPrescott, a man who everyone knows is so consumed by hatred his posts mean nothing. Cheers sino, great post :good
     
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  10. David_TheMan

    David_TheMan ESB Sage Full Member

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    You never answered my question.

    Did Oscar get all of his title from the weakest belt holder in his division or not, excluding the vacant ones he picked up?

    Did Oscar not lose everytime he stepped up?

    Did Oscar regularly try to unify titles in the divisions he was in?
     
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  11. JosePR51

    JosePR51 Active Member Full Member

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    Stop whining about the Hoya-Trinidad decision. It was a close fight and could have gone either way or could have been a draw. You wanna give Hoya the close nod, then fine by me. But the point is no one SCHOOLED anyone in that bout, so stop the bitching. Most rounds were very close except a couple. On the other hand I can also argue he got gifts against Whitaker, Quartey, and especially Sturm. His face after the Sturm fight says it all, he knew he lost that fight. I can also argue that his fight with John John Molina could have gone either way. Another close one.

    Tito trinidad was better in my view, both great fighters nonetheless.
     
    JosePR51, Aug 14, 2008
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  12. Spitbucket

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    And the PR on your siggy assures us of 100% objectivity:good
     
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  13. DINAMITA

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    Question 1

    Did Oscar get all of his title from the weakest belt holder in his division or not, excluding the vacant ones he picked up?

    Answer: NO.

    Proof:

    I have already proved this, I don't know why you brought it up again.

    Rafael Ruelas was IBF lightweight champion when he fought Oscar, it was a unification fight.

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    So De La Hoya fought the top two guys in the top 10, he missed out the number 3 who hardly anyone had ever heard of and fought in Japan and Africa. He stopped Rafael Ruelas (#2) to take Ruelas's IBF title, then stopped Hernandez too.

    Point already proved.

    But there's more, to further embarrass you Dave, and your absurd clinging to this non-sensical article.

    In 1997, Pernell Whitaker was #1 at welterweight, and still p4p#1 if I'm not mistaken, and De La Hoya took his WBC title. HOW THE **** can you not know this Dave, if you are commenting on this thread?!

    It boggles the mind!

    In 2002, he added the WBA title to his WBC title by beating Fernando Vargas in a unification fight. At this point, Oscar was #1 at the weight and Vargas #2. There was no-one ranked higher for him to fight. Tito was fighting Hacine Cherifi at middleweight then having a 2-year lay-off. Again, how can you not know these simple facts about these guys careers if you are on here discussing it?

    In 2006, he beat Ricardo Mayorga for the WBC light-middleweight title. At this time, the WBA champion was Alejandro Garcia, and the IBF champion was Roman Karzamin, and the WBO"-gus" champion was Sergei Dzindziruk.

    You have been SMOKED OUT OF SIGHT yet again :smoke :rasta :smoke :rasta


    2.No. He beat Quartey, Whitaker (pound-for-pound#1, how can you step up any higher than that??) Vargas and Mayorga, he lost to Mosley, Mayweather, and Hopkins. The Hopkins loss was in large part due to Hop's natural size, weight and strength advantages. In Mayweather, he fought a guy better than anyone Tito ever fought. He should have shared the 2 fights 1-1 with Mosley. The Trinidad decision was a stinker, even Trinidad's own mother knew that. Trinidad never even fought Mosley though, same with Quartey- so I don't think this can be used in an argument against De La Hoya, he fought more greats so he lost more fights. He was never dominated like Trinidad was.

    Don't you see that that accusation could be made against Trinidad too? It could easily be said the best 3 fighters he faced were Hopkins, Wright and Jones. Silly boy.


    3.Yes. Not in every division, but he fought at world title level in 6 weight divisions, to unify every division would have taken decades. He unified at lightweight and light-middleweight. He was growing too fast to hang around at super-featherweight to unify, and he only fought twice at middleweight. That leaves only light-welterweight and welterweight that he didn't unify at that he could have unified at, and at both of those weights he won the most prestigious belt IMO (WBC).

    All in all, the guy won TEN world titles at SIX weights. That simply cannot be criticized.

    Trinidad won 5 titles at 3 weight divisions (half the amount De La Hoya did). He unified in 2 (same as De La Hoya), but was never an undisputed champion (same as De La Hoya).



    Dave, dear misguided Dave, are you starting to see now that that article is a lot of biased old ****hair??

    If you think Trinidad is better then thats cool, it's perfectly valid, both great fighters as I said, but the stuff you've been coming out with to support that has been painful to read.
     
    DINAMITA, Aug 14, 2008
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  14. JosePR51

    JosePR51 Active Member Full Member

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    Does being from PR hurt my objectivity? Does being from the mainland U.S. affect yours? I said both are great fighters, end of story.
     
    JosePR51, Aug 14, 2008
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  15. Spitbucket

    Spitbucket Guest

    YES. NO. OK:good
     
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