Who Was The Hardest Puncher Marciano Met?

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  1. mcvey

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    Fair dos yeh dirty fecker shes a great roid.:good
     
  2. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    The reality is that Rocky 's hardest hitting opponents were Walcott and Moore. Both could hit but neither were huge punchers by all time or modern heavyweight standards. I've been saying for years Rocky's career is a perfect storm of elements all coming together .. e was a brutal, tough 185 pound guy who fought and defeated all he could in his day but that does not make him the immortal many claim him to be. I believe in later era's he in particular, which his limitations who never have reached the same levels.
     
  3. choklab

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    Nobody is saying Rocky was immortal.

    The question is "who was the hardest puncher marciano met". Not "how relevant Marcianos resume stacks up in hindsight".

    Marciano met and beat some of the most dangerous punchers in history. He fought the hardest most effective punchers of his time. If there have been harder punchers since that's Ok. The ones he fought were as effective.

    There was nothing wrong with Walcott and Moore as heavyweight punchers when Rocky fought them.

    Charles had one punch power and Layne hit hard too.
     
  4. McGrain

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    No he didn't.
     
  5. choklab

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    Ok, they don't make top ten hardest punchers of all time lists but they got the job done. You could not send someone out to fight Walcott, Moore, Charles or even old Joe Louis without warning them that they were all dangerous punchers. If you made a mistake against them the evidence is there that good fighters paid for it. World class knockout power. Like Mongoose says Moore had 80% KO ratio against the biggest men he fought. They did not have the raw power and strength of other punchers but they still punched above their weight.
     
  6. Foxy 01

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    I have no doubt that Marciano met some better than average punchers in his time, but to claim he met the most dangerous punchers in history, is akin to claiming there really is a tooth fairy.
     
  7. Unforgiven

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    What is "raw power" ? is it merely strength ?
     
  8. mcvey

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    I have yet to see a satisfactory explanation of where power originates.
    You can look at the trunk like legs of Marciano and Tyson and say that's it!
    You can equally look at Bob Foster, Alexis Arguello,Sandy Saddler,Jimmy Wilde and take a different road.
    There are huge muscled men that can hit like cannons ,and also many others that are moderate bangers
    All we know is some have it some don't.

    This thread seems to have veered in the direction of how much power individual punchers possessed r.e, the very top-echelon [provide your own list of names,]and who qualifies to be there.
    I would say neither Moore or Walcott are top flight bombers at heavyweight neither would make my first 25 and probably not 30,that makes them lesser punchers in my book.

    I'm at a loss as to why both ,and Moore in particular have had their power so vehemently and vociferously defended here ,if the subject was not Marciano I don't think that would be the case.
    I have quite a few 50's Ring magazines and I do not recall Walcott ever being referred to as a murderous puncher and I don't believe he was.

    He was a pin point ,accurate ,sniper ,or at least that's how I would describe him.

    Moore has many stoppages to his credit and it would be tempting to say he was a murderous puncher at least at LHVY, yet many lhvy's went the distance with him:huh
    Is it because he found them a more elusive target than the comparatively slower bigger men? I don't know.:think
     
  9. janitor

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    Like I say, it depends what you think Louis had left.
     
  10. mcvey

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    The ko stats of his comeback fights and the films tell us that imo.
    I watched him against Beshore,Brion Savold,Agramonte the other day, that was not the Brown Bomber in there.
     
  11. The Mongoose

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    -No, 205+ pounds, most of them were well over that barrier you established. I have to disagree with your opinion that they were better than Lennox Lewis but you seem confident in that assumption and I doubt I can change your mind.

    -Are you suggesting ****ell abused HGH? He did have a very large head.

    -Savold is not among the Elite Eight of 205+ lbs Marciano knockout victims. He was only 200 lbs, which is a huge difference between 205.

    -Actually no. Louis fought 38 of his 69 fights over 200 lbs. And against Marciano he had the face of a 60 year old man and the sculpted body of Greek God. Do you think this was by accident or part of his strategy?


    -Simmons was indeed great but he wasn't over 205 lbs. Not amongst the Elite Eight. But he did go the distance against many large muscular black men like Nino Valdez, Cleveland Williams, and Big Black Cesar Brion. How could Cleveland Williams' oily muscles fail to produce the same result as Rocky's punching? It is mystery or fluke, you decide, right or wrong?

    -Interesting. Do you have pictures of "Big Bill" that we don't know about. Perhaps you should share them.

    -I agree about Eatman being one of the best. But I don't think he bulked up, he was naturally 240 lbs of muscle but cut weight to make Cruiser where the money was in the 50s.

    -James Patrick's weight got me excited too, imagine my shock to learn that he never became a successful boxer. His name looked so familiar, i was certain he won the title at one point and beat Sonny Liston. Thank god boxrec set me straight I was about to start a thread on this forgotten great.

    -Bill Hardman is a legend, how could he not be with a name like that. No, Foreman gets heat for losing to Axel Shulz.

    -The Hump was a very large black man, rumor has it he hooked up with the Mob and changed his name to Sonny Liston after the loss to Rocky and history as they say was made.

    -Shkor looked alot like Wladimir Klitschko and from reports, fought exactly like him with his bear hug style. Had Wlad fought in the 50s, he would hvae the same record and also lose to Marciano.

    -Actually no, I never said these men were legendary but now that you mention, you have opened my eyes and I believe them to now be legends of their time. Sorry about your mom being ugly.
     
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  13. mcvey

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    Louis primarily relied on his jab and hook on his comeback. good as they were his money shot was his right hand.
     
  14. McGrain

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    I don't really feel it's a question of "think." He went to a KO ratio of 20%; he stopped knocking people out - his only really dangerous looking punch was his jab.

    I mean you're either a puncher or you're not, and Louis, in his come back, was not.
     
  15. The Mongoose

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    Oh thank god, does that mean you'll quit trying so desperately to get my attention?