Who Was The Hardest Puncher Marciano Met?

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  1. Dubblechin

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  2. gentleman jim

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    Me too. But back to the original question....It's a tie between Moore and Walcott. Make no mistake though...both men could punch. And when you combine thier ability as punchers with thier skill as boxers and ablility to set a man up for a good shotthen you have a dangerous opponent. You don't have to have the one punch power of a Shavers or the clubbing power of Foreman to be considered a hard puncher. There are other factors that come into play as well. Like Angelo Dundee was fond of saying, "It's the shot you don't see that takes you outta there" and Moore and Walcott were good at that.
     
  3. Bummy Davis

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    very good point :goodwell said!!
     
  4. mcvey

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    Any heavyweight can punch the question is to what degree?

    Neither Walcott or Moore are considered to be top flight bangers at heavyweight.
     
  5. The Mongoose

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    Jersey Joe made it to #66 on RING's list. Ahead of the likes of Razor Ruddock, Holyfield, and Tommy Gomez. So that would count as being considered top flight.

    And Archie Moore came in at #4. And of Moore's 3 weight divisons, he has the highest KO% against HWs. So lets not make out like they were just talking about his MW and LHW exploits. His ability to maintain his power against bigger men is a huge part of his appeal as a puncher. Him and Rocky were near the same size anyway in their meeting.
     
  6. mcvey

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    Sixty sixth isn't really top flight is it? Inside the top 20 would be acceptable ,don't you think? I did qualify my post by saying,
    "at heavyweight" ,and I don't think Moore is a top flight banger at the unlimited weight.
    I'm sure many will disagree but,
    I doubt Moore hit harder than Bob Foster.

    Holyfield is nowhere near a top puncher. imo.

    Ruddock's problem was, he was left hand smash happy.
    Patterson tried to get him to utilise his jab which was very good ,as was his right cross, but all he wanted to do was take you out with that sweeping left.
    That doesn't work too often against ring savvy, top class opponents. Walcott was a trapsetter and pin point accurate, his velocity of punch was nowhere near Ruddock's but he had the guile and the timing.

    The highest ko% among heavies? 22 were against nobodies and another 4 were against wrestlers ,that's 26 ko's that are pretty meaningless imo.
     
  7. Bummy Davis

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    Moores power translated into heavyweight much better than Bob Foster, Moore beat top contender Bob Baker by KO and ATG Harold Johnson by KO as well as keeping Nino at bay who did Bob Foster beat as a heavyweight?

    you described Walcott fairly well but JJW could punch with both hands pretty well, he often admired his work when he dropped someone, shuffled and side-stepped with grace but when he planted a punch he could hit very hard, he had LouisX3,Marciano and Charles down and he dropped and hurt many others with his power/pinpoint accuracy
     
  8. mcvey

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    That doesn't mean he hit harder ,strange as that may seem, I think Foster had better one punch power than Moore.
    Moore had the physique to take the punches of the bigger men,he was over 3 inches shorter than Foster,and had very powerful arms from years of pull ups and shadow boxing with steam irons in his hands.

    Moore had a lifelong battle with the scales,taking laxatives, chewing his food and discarding it etc.

    Foster was a natural stringbean who just couldn't put on meaningful weight.

    Nowhere have I said Foster was a big heavyweight puncher, I know he wasn't, so why you pose that question is a mystery?

    Moore stopped Johnson once in 4 times ,he refused to fight him again.
    Stopping Baker, who never hit the canvas in that fight isn't a terrific acheivement, Baker had lost 2 of his last 3 fights Clarence Henry had him down 4 times, and Satterfield took him out in 1 round with a 3 punch combination.
    I think Moore's signature wins at heavyweight are pretty sparse.
    No point assessing Walcott again, I've done so.
     
  9. The Mongoose

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    -It is absolutely top flight on an all time P4P list. And within the top 20 at HW.

    -The same can be said of nearly all KO artists.
     
  10. he grant

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    Foster was also fighting much bigger and better heavyweights. Ali, Frazier, Terrell ( he was young and gassed out ).
     
  11. The Mongoose

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    Moore vs Foster Breakdown:


    Foster vs 180-200+ Heavyweights

    21(18 KOS)-7
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    Moore vs 180-200+ Heavyweights

    71(52 KOs)-4-3
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    Moore vs 180-200 HWs
    48(33 KOs)-4-2
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    Foster vs 180-200 HWs
    14(11 KO)-2
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    Moore vs 200+ HWs
    23(19 KOs)-1-1
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    Foster vs 200+ HWs
    7(7 KOs)-5
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    Moore vs rated* 200+ HWs
    4(2 KO)-1-1

    opponents: Ali, Valdez x2, Baker, Lavorante, Sys.

    Foster vs rated* 200+ HWs
    0-4

    opponents: Ali, Frazier, Terrell, Foley

    *rated meaning top in RING Annual ratings either the year before or year of fight.
     
  12. The Mongoose

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    It is without question that Moore demonstrated more effective punching power at heavyweight.

    He has the great number of KOs, the highest % of KOs, the great number of KOs against rated HWs...etc.

    And if there is question of size and quality, Moore performed better against rated 200+ lb fighters.
     
  13. mcvey

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    Stats !
    In between his legitimate and noteworthy wins over good men, he stopped a lot of dross so stats aren't the be all and end all imo.

    Would you like to address the question, did Moore have better ONE PUNCH POWER than Foster? I say NO!
     
  14. The Mongoose

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    -Foster has no noteworthy HW wins.

    -At HW, Moore without question.

    -At LHW, who knows. The Morrow knockout sounds like it was every bit as horrifying as the Mike Quarry knockout.
     
  15. he grant

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    There is no denying that both guys were all time great light heavyweights and murderous punchers at 175. If either was a bigger one shot hitter it might be Foster. That being said, Frazier walked thru him and destroyed him .. Ali laughed at his power .. if Moore is one of the two biggest punchers Rocky fought and he was, it just shows that Marciano did not ever fight any big time heavyweight hitters, period. 37 year old Walcott , while respectful, was not a heavyweight all time great puncher.