Who Was The Hardest Puncher Marciano Met?

To say McVey thinks he's the most intelligent on these forums he's too dumb to realise each and every fight is different. Some fighters get KTFO by average punchers yet on other occasions walk through bombs by murderous punchers, it's far from black and white!

 

Nobody knocked out Cesar Brion. I think in 60 fights Brion was stopped just once by TKO in the last year of his career and he fought Charles, baker, Layne and mauriello. When Louis fought them Brion and Agramonte were young tough fighters who gave the best contenders a lot of rounds. Nobody is saying Joe Louis was still at his best but the film proves he still hit hard and was far from shot. Louis was beating the guys he needed to beat to justify his high ranking. If other contenders knocked Agramante down I stand corrected but knocking him down on film there was was nothing wrong with Joe Louis's techniques, power and the way he set it up during the sequence leading up to that knock down. Louis was certainly capable of replicating this at that time against anyone else if allowed his own way.

 

A good example of this might be Bob Stalling, who prior to meeting Earnie Shavers in 74 had been beaten 24 times, and stopped on 6 occasions by guys like Larry Middleton, Willie Moore, Henry Clark, even Jack Bodell ffs. Yet not only did he stand up against Earnie he out pointed him over 10, dropping him in the 9th.

 

Exactly but bird brain McGay can't get his dumb head around that idea, talking to him is like talking to a brick wall.

 

Choklab,

McVey is the guy who listed Iron Hague as someone who hit as hard as Rocky Marciano!

When I asked him which ranked person did Hague stop, he never replies.

 

-After collapsing and leaving the ring in a stretcher against Moore, Lavorante fought two more times that year, went into a coma and died. You would have to be playing dumb to suggest the Moore fight and bad management didn't drive him into a tragic end. He should have never got back into the ring after the Moore fight, not that soon at least. Ali and Riggins were not in their with the same man Moore beat.


-The descriptions suggests Lavorante was draped over the ropes, sagging. He wasn't techncally down but he was out.

Then Archie landed a hard left-uppercut to Alejandro's chin that spun him into the Ropes where he sagged.

Referee - Tommy Hart jumped in and stopped the bout at {0:38} of the Final Round.

-Not a fair analogy. Moore was 45 years old in this fight against a much bigger man with a reputation for being a dangerous puncher. How often was Foreman, Shavers, and Langford in such a situation? It would be like the Foreman of the Schulz fight taking on 1990 Ruddock.

Or how about the Stewart fight, where a 43 year old Formean thrashed Stewart in the opening rounds, couldn't finish him, and got his face beat to a pulp. Is this evdience against Foreman?

 

Thank you. You just said it. Archie Moore was a dangerous hitter at that stage. Why does a puncher with world-class heavyweight knock out power have to be in the top ten biggest hitters if all time to qualify as a severe puncher?

We can all name twenty heavyweight contenders or more with world class power who won't go down as making anyones top ten but they had serious power. proberbly Gerrie Coetzee, Razor Ruddock, Mike dejohn, Tim Witherspoon, Mike Weaver, Cleveland Williams (at a push), Mike Dokes, max Schmeling and Frank Bruno might not make anyone's top ten hardest hitters but they all hit plenty hard enough.

Moore punched hard enough. Walcott punched hard enough. Charles punched hard enough. Joe Louis was still a danger. Past his best yes but a worth while contender of the level of a Trevor Berbick or Ron Lyle even in that incarnation..

 

birds of a feather, what a teamatsch

 

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This is how I see it. Moore had to be a severe puncher in the heavyweight division. People argue and scream that Ron Lyle was a severe puncher - I don't doubt that he was by the way- but there is more evidence that old man Archie was a dangerous puncher yet still people want to down grade what he was capable of and did achieve in the division.