Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Ironfox222, Mar 17, 2023.
Like in terms of Defensive skills, Offensive skills, Footwork, Counter-Punches and Killer Instinct
I certainly think Leonard had more skills than the 1950s middleweight Robinson. However, much like pre-exile Ali and pre-welterweight Duran, the pre-middleweight Robby was a boxer of unique greatness. The problem is that 1940s welterweight Robinson isn't on a whole lot of film so it is tough to gauge.
From what I have heard from people who saw both men fight (my dad and his friends) and from what I've read from writers who've seen both fight in person I'm going to give the offensive skills and counter punch edge to SRR. I also have SRR as having a tad bit better defensive skills. I've got the footwork even and, to my way of thinking, Ray Leonard had the best killer instinct in the history of boxing.
For me, Robinson is the more skilled fighter.
To add another note to this, other than Muhammad Ali, Ray Leonard is the smartest fighter I've ever seen. I think Robinson beats Leonard but if the fight is close going into the 13th round I think Leonard would find a way to pull out the win.
The REAL Sugar Ray Mr Robinson
Robinson. This is the consensus among most coaches, fans, and fighters who have seen both men compete.
SRR VS SRL Comparison:
Technical Ability: Leonard
Ring IQ: Even
Ring Generalship: Leonard
(3 SRR, 3 SRL, 3 Even)
They're pretty evenly matched in different areas, but I think overall the edge would go to SRL as I feel he was a bit more polished with his punches & was good at stealing rounds to convince the judges & fans.
I'[m also hoping there won't be any more Sugars in the future. Robinson, Leonard, Sugar Ray Seales, Sugar Shane Mosely, I think the nickname should be retired.
SRR...He could "out box" the boxers...and "out punch" the punchers...
SRR by far.
Robinson on offense, Leonard on defense.
Both Sugars could do that.
That's the only way I think we can decide this one. Really tough one to call.
The margins between the two in pretty much any category are wafer thin, aren't they?
Leonard by a fair margin in boxing skill. I think he was far more fundamental and technically compact offensively. Robinson would sweep and swing a lot and had a lot more unorthodox techniques. Defensively, I think both guys were pretty hittable, but Ray Robinson was probably the most hittable guy in the top 10 ATG list.
Yep totally spot on post.
Skills and physicality are about even.
I'd say experience would be the biggest
difference and where I'd favor Robinson
by the country mile.