Who was the most overrated heavyweight boxer of all time?

"Washed up Holyfield!"...good one. Dude was coming off a win over Mercer, was the first one to knock down Bowe and then tried to KO Czyz but won anyway. Holyfield couldn't attract flies to a dump compared to Iron Mike. Tyson was the washed up and rusty one. **** what the media said, because the media speaks the Gospel, right?

Put in proper perspective, Tyson is hugely underrated. Especially by the leader of the World Class Hating Crew himself - Unforgiven. Don't even deny it because you can't. Just admit it already.

 

Forget what some say; they will tell you Johnson was up 20-0 vs. Willard. Watch films. Willard was the better in some of the rounds we can view well before the 20th.

If you watched the ESPN Classic version of the Moran film, they would tell you Moran was the better on some rounds not show. Then view the rounds that are shown, and they were close. Your review was not 100% accurate as you saw punches they were not on film and counted them for Johnson.

Johnson struggled to get up vs. Ketchel, that is on film. He was off-balance and dazed and admitted so to the press, as he could not lie about something that fresh that just happened.

The Flynn fight was marred with Clutching, holding and fouls. Flynn never looks good.

Johnson best film is vs. Burns. Here's he is fast and throwing more than 15 punches a round, but Burns was but 168 pounds tall and 5'7" tall.

Unfortunately or fortunately for Johnson fans there is no film of him being even with O'Brien, struggling mighty vs Battling Johsnon, or getting clipped by GB Smith in their 4 rd ex match. Well, I read that Johnson vs. Johnson might be out there. One day maybe we'll see.

He ceritnaly does not look dominant vs. Frank Moran.

Here's the question to ask.

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Names pro favor. No one in your top ten I'll guess. I'll raise the bar and to say your top 20 without even seeing it.

You can provide a list of your top 20 all-time heavyweights if you choose. Go for it, I could be mistaken in the above.

 

Forget what some say; they will tell you Johnson was up 20-0 vs. Willard. Watch films. Willard was the better in some of the rounds we can view well before the 20th.

If you watched the ESPN Classic version of the Moran film, they would tell you Moran was the better on some rounds not show. Then view the rounds that are shown, and they were close. Your review was not 100% accurate as you saw punches they were not on film and counted them for Johnson.

Johnson struggled to get up vs. Ketchel, that is on film. He was off-balance and dazed and admitted so to the press, as he could not lie about something that fresh that just happened.

The Flynn fight was marred with Clutching, holding and fouls. Flynn never looks good.

Johnson best film is vs. Burns. Here's he is fast and throwing more than 15 punches a round, but Burns was but 168 pounds tall and 5'7" tall.

Unfortunately or fortunately for Johnson fans there is no film of him being even with O'Brien, struggling mighty vs Battling Johsnon, or getting clipped by GB Smith in their 4 rd ex match. Well, I read that Johnson vs. Johnson might be out there. One day maybe we'll see.

He ceritnaly does not look dominant vs. Frank Moran.

Here's the question to ask.

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Names pro favor. No one in your top ten I'll guess. I'll raise the bar and to say your top 20 without even seeing it.

You can provide a list of your top 20 all-time heavyweights if you choose. Go for it, I could be mistaken in the above.

 

70's fan the floor is yours to reply to the above post. See the part in orange.

 

I knew the middleweight limit was originally lower, I mentioned it in my post the first welterweight champion was Paddy Duffy 1888. What the **** are you talking about!

 

Here is the story of the first 20 rounds of the Johnson v Willard fight.Straight from the mouth of Jack Welch, the referee of the bout!

"After the fight, referee Jack Welch said: "If I had been compelled to give a decision at the end of the twenty-fifth round, it would have been Johnson's by a wide margin. Up to the twentieth round, Willard had one won only one round by a real margin and two or three others by the slightest shade. In the thirteenth and fourteenth, I was almost sure Johnson would knock Willard out, but Willard showed that his jaw and body were too tough. Johnson put up a wonderful fight to the twentieth round, but age stepped in then and defeated him.""

 

The film does not show that, and Welch was very wrong if he fought Johnson would knock Willard out. This shows you his observation isn't very good.

The fight was for 45 rounds if it was for 20 or 25, Willard fights it completely different and ups his ante sooner. We have been over this before, Mcvey.

 

You said the fight wasn't one sided after 20 rounds The referee directly contradicts this.He was there in the ring you have seen some rounds on film, who is likely to have the more accurate opinion?

Johnson v Flynn 2
"It was Johnson battle from the first tap of the gong.He ripped Flynn with a straight left and murdered him with his old right uppercut".
" Flynn disgraced everyone and fought a foul battle when he saw he was outclassed.
He fought as foul a battle as a man can bringing down the police's wrath.
Flynn deliberately tried to lose the contest on a foul when it was plain to him,as it was to the spectators,that he was a beaten man." "Johnson was superior from start to finish"
The referee Ed Smith.
"Flynn was batterred and beaten at all stages ,and evidently attempted to force the refree to give Johnson the contest on a foul" Omaha World Herald.
"Flynn was bested and on his way out,but for Johnson's carrying him.Ringside opinion was that Flynn would have been neatly cleaned in a short time.
On three occasionsJohnson landed from five to seven straight punches on Flynn's flattened nose in as many seconds .Flynn was groggy and Johnson could have used his famous punch to the jaw with either hand and put Flynn to sleep." The New York American.



"Ive got no kick coming.The black completely surprised me.Everbody led me to believe all I had to do was last ten or fifteen rounds ,and Id be sure to win solely on the bad condition and age of the negro.But Johnson's defense was as good in the nineteenth round as in the first,and when the twentieth round came I was too much all in to be able to notice."
Frank Moran after their fight.
"It was not a fight it was not even a near fight.Moran showed absolutely nothing.Johnson was never extended".The New York Sun.
"In the final round Johnson stood in the center of the ring.Moran circled about Johnson and screamed ,"come on hit me! "
Then the referee forced him to fight and amid screams from the crowd,Johnson landed a left uppercut and the fght was finished as Moran went reeling against the ropes".The New York Times.
" Johnson retained the title with ease,battering the white man and toying with him.It wasn't even a good fight,more like a training bout for Johnson."
Frank Young writing in The Defender.
"Johnson could lick any of the old fighters regardless of what they say themselves"John L Sullivan The Chicago Defender
" It was an easy win for Johnson,the difference in class of the two men being only too apparent from the very beginning of the match ," The New York Herald.

 

so far...

i'm pretty sure bruno at least matched the level of taking a vacant title from a 42 year old or stopping a guy who was doing his best impression of Fraudley Williams.

 

Charlie Retzlaff

 

Overrated would be guys who people think can do much greater things than they did -

Sullivan - rated as some kind of great when he excluded most of the world from his title.
Marciano - perhaps slightly, though still a top 5 atg..he had way too lucky a run to place him too high
Vitali - fans think hes some atg killer basedon his best effort being beating a retired failed contender...you never see them rate any of the thousands who beat a retired failed contender as atg killers
Ike - we simply dont know what he could do, but people assume his trajectory based on one or two wins, completely silly.
Wilder - obvious reasons. Thing is Wilder knows it! Hes an actor trained to be a boxer. Ridiculous.

 

It wont come as a surprise...BGF
also
Tua
Bruno
Norton
Michael Spinks ( at HW)
Audley Harrison
David Haye
Funso Banjo

 

The welterweight title was first contested and won in1888.Can you count you cretin!

 

Who ever rated Banjo or Harrison?

 

Both were hyped in the UK