Who was the most recent "LINEAL" Heavyweight Champion of the World?

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    What?
     
  2. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    (genuine chuckle to self)

    My thoughts exactly...
     
  3. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Well thats the end of ya'lls attempt to dispute the the real meaning of lineage. I left you two back in Sunday school.
     
  4. 11player

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    Vitali retired and Wlad bested the #2 HW in the world in Povetkin.

    Previouslly he beat #3 Chagaev and #3 Haye.

    How can one get more lineal than that?

    Let's stop with the nonsense, Wlad is the lineal champion.
     
  5. McGrain

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    Sorry buddy, it has nothing to do with our relative understanding of lineage. It's just a hideously constructed sentence that doesn't make much sense.

    You've become increasingly hysterical throughout the thread and it culminated in that weird post. I can't really understand what it is you're trying to say and your pretence that that means you are somehow "better" at arguing about lineage rather than over-excited or unacquainted with grammar (not sure which) looks rather desperate.

    Why don't you try again. Even if you're right and you know way more than me about this topic i'm sure you can try to write that sentence in a way easier for stupid people like me to understand :p
     
  6. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    He needed to beat Vitali to hold that claim , not nothing men Haye and Chagaev.

    Viyali>>>Haye & Chagg.
     
  7. dinovelvet

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    'hysterical':rofl Im just outa bed and sedated on painkillers and rotten alcohol. I can bearely create thoughts but it doesn't require much to argue the true definition of lineage.

    If Tunney is your basis then the best after him was beat by the best after him. Who did Wlad beat that was the best who beat the best before him?
    Vitali and Wlad regined together and just like Floyd , Bradley , Lara , GG, Martinez etc etc.
     
  8. McGrain

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    I still can't really understand you, but you seem to be saying that lineage rests upon beating numerous opponents instead of just beating the top one? If so you have completely mis-understood what lineage is, which may be why you think it "means nothing" now.

    Or perhaps you're just too ****ed up on "rotten alcohol" to understand what's being said to you.
     
  9. McGrain

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    That is completely incorrect, and your lineage of the HW title is a little odd anyway. You're trying to say that Klitschko and Sanders were #1 and #2 when they met, is that right?

    How does this work in with your apparent opinion that a fighter needs to beat a lot of people and not one to hold the title (if that's what you think)?
     
  10. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    The text is written out in plain English and I never said anything like that.
     
  11. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    ...but, Chagaev was #2... [/deadhorse]

    :D
     
  12. Ahurath

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    Even though Wladimir is the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world he's not the lineal champ.

    But in my opinion if he gets all the major bels he really should be recognized as the lineal.
     
  13. dinovelvet

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    I said that fight was the closest example of who was a a lineal champ but who still was not a 'true' lineal champ since Vitali lost to the last one. You can elect Vitali if you want on the basis of a loss but that example is cheapened even more when you elect Wlad who is the lesser brother and who lost badly to Sanders who was beaten by Vitali.
    Its because the lineal crown is bouncing around like that is the reason it no longer has any real meaning.
     
  14. McGrain

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    Well, two people appear to have read that "plain text", and both were confused by it.

    On the basis of a loss?? You really don't know anything about establishing new lineage, do you? Can you name ONE example of a linear champion being recognised on the basis of a loss?

    No. You just don't undestand, at all. Wlad could have lost to Sanders, Cody Coch, Ruslan Chagaev, your sister and it still wouldn't matter, at all, if he were ranked #1 or #2 and beat the ranked #1 or #2 contender in the world at that time. That is it. That is all. That is the way it has been for a hundred years. If YOU don't like it, fine, carry on. But you aren't happy with that, are you? If you're not happy with something, it has to become immediately meaningless for all mankind.

    It hasn't been "bouncing along" at all, that's all made up in your head, partly because you don't understand what it is (or are drunk and medicated, like you said).

    It went into cold storage when Lewis retired. Many years later, for the first time since his retirement, the #1 ranked contender met the #2 ranked contender.

    The winner became the new linear champion. It hasn't been "bouncing along" anywhere, that's nonsense. Even if it WAS, what kind of reason is that not to acknowledge it??
     
  15. dinovelvet

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    I understand perfectly the 'true' definition of lineage.

    You are basicaly trying to retrofit the term to match the current times which have changed drastically to when it was first introduced.