Who were some of the best heavyweight fighters that weren’t from the United States?

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  1. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Campolo was pre prime when Carnera stopped him he was a skinny 224lbs relative novice he spotted Carnera 42lbs . 2 years later now 280lbs Campolo went the distance with Primo.Godoy was years short oft his peak when Campolo beat him.
     
  2. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    This is still strong evidence for elite level boxing in today’s Superheavyweight scene. Primo stands up very well indeed.
     
  3. Mike Gould

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    Mike Weaver, Mike Dokes and Phil Jackson were definitely world rated when Ruddock beat them. Phil Jackson was 25-0 when they met and had recently won the IBC Heavyweight Title (granted, not one of the big 3 or even 4), 2 years later, Phil would challenge Lennox Lewis for the WBC title, so he was considered good enough to fight for the title. Mike Weaver was one year removed from fighting Pinklon Thomas for the WBC title and after he fought Ruddock, would go on to beat top 30 prospects James Pritchard and Johnny Duplooy, as well as a slightly ringworn Bert Cooper and James Smith. Mike Dokes had just given a young Evander Holyfield 10 rounds of hell a year earlier and was on a 4 bout knockout streak since, including winning the WBA Inter-Continental Title. After losing to Ruddock, Dokes went on a 9 fight winning streak, beating contenders Jesse Ferguson (fresh off a victory over Ray Mercer) and Jose Ribalta, to earn a title shot against Riddick Bowe. Granted they may not have been in their absolute prime, but these fighters were world class and were beating fellow contenders and earning title shots. That's world class in my book.
     
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  4. mark ant

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    Fury is way faster than Primo was and no way could Primo have dodged all the right hands Fury did v Wilder, Carnera would have been nailed to the canvas like Breazale v Wilder in the 1st.
     
  5. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Jackson was not considered a threat to Lewis at all, who wasn`t even that good until Steward improved him and Mercer had been outboxed by Holmes before Fergie beat him, he improved by the time he fought Lewis.
     
  6. Mike Gould

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    Mark Ant, do you make these posts just to provoke people? Your original argument was that none of the fighters Ruddock beat were anywhere near wold class. Blanket statements like these (without research) will get you into trouble. Thank-you for adding the point about Mercer giving Lewis a tough fight. It further strengthens Ferguson as a strong contender and gives Dokes' win over him that much more credibility as a contender during that time. This was a Dokes who was brutally knocked out by Ruddock a few years prior btw.
     
  7. choklab

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    He would not have to, fighting is different for each fighter against whoever they fight. Wilder never beat anybody as good as Primo Carnera. And (so far) that is a fact.

    You need to hold onto that before you make anymore posts. Did wilder beat anybody as good as carnera?

    Think about that.
     
  8. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Ortiz was a million miles better than Carnera in every department.
     
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  9. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Ther`s no way Carnera could take Wilder`s power and there`s no way he could avoid his punches, I don`t get any confusion on this at all.
     
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  10. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    I watched Jackson v Lewis at the time of the fight and I genuinley didn`t know Jackson was even a top 10 fighter, that`s the way the British commentators made the fight seem like it was just to keep Lewis ticking over till a bigger fight came along, all the talk was about Bowe, I had never heard of Jackson and Lewis really wasn`t that good at that point but Jackson didn`t have a clue about how to deal with his reach.
     
  11. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    So what was Ortiz’s best win?
     
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  12. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The mighty Dave Allen?
     
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    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Jennings, Malik Scott and an ancient Tony Thompson

    What about Primo? Sharkey and Loughran
     
  14. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Sharkey, Laughran, Schaff, Neusel and Uzcudun were probably Primos best wins.

    The guys Ortiz beat probably get beaten by Campolo and Santa, two giants Primo beat.
     
  15. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I'm not entering this race,
    I mentioned Primo because he was in the middle of the pack as a non US fighter in his era.
    I dont think much of him at all, poor defence ,soft chin, lacking power.Wilder would decapitate him.