Who were the best fighters Hopkins beat at MIDDLEWEIGHT ?

It does, i've not contested that. I see people citing it as not even a good win though, which is bull****.

 

Hopkins was as proven against Jones as Johnson was against him.

Yes, it was a dry time, it´s as bad, if not worse know but there are a few good propects/rising contenders out there. And of course Hopkins absolutly dominated that division.

 

Jones at middleweight was as good as he ever was

 

Yes, and i'm not the one disregarding the Johnson win, and i'm not the one using the 'proven' theory. Maybe you misread what i posted.

 

I just stated the obvious. Neutral. How you value those wins is up to you. But if you rate one win high, than you have to do the same with the other. Same, the other way around. That´s all I´m saying.

 

Yeah, i haven't disagreed with that though, i was the one saying this earlier, as i said playing Devil's advocate and trying to point out double standards.

 

Of whom?

 

To conclude so far: Tito is the best he beat and then, quite a bit below, is Johnson (DLH was at a catch weight, right)? And after that? Can someone try a top 5?

 

1. Trinidad
2. Echols
3. Joppy
4. Holmes
5. Jackson

Something like that.

 

Most people had Trinidad to win at the time,the pre fight reviews I read had him taking it by KO.Its a shame it gets treated as Hopkins beating a smaller fighter because it was a good fight and a good win.

 

People were saying that Johnson wasn't proven at MW when Hopkins beat him etc etc, so i said that Hearns had done nothing at mw when Hagler beat him, so you gotta apply the same logic to him if you do so to Hopkins. I was playing devil's advocate.

 

:good

 

No Johnson?