Who were the most durable heavyweights ever?

Tua got dropped by Barrett...

Ali was primarily extremely fast at recovering, you could hurt him relatively fast (compared to the granites, but you had to get him fast or he would just recover)




Andrew Hartley is probably the most durable of them all... he is the only one to last a full round in a proffesional fight against Charlie "sweet pea" Zelenoff.

 

Doesn't this criteria disqualify Foreman? He definitely didn't stay strong throughout a contest and was floored several times in the first phase of his career.

 

So, if Jerry Quarry was punching with the smaller gloves of yester-year,and hitting men who wore no gumshields, his power would be significantly improved? Is this your premise?

Taking the champions first. I know you set great store by knockdowns in sparring because you have repeated ad-nauseum that Gunboat Smtih stunned Jack Johnson in an exhibition match to the point his manger[your spelling ,]stopped it . Actually Smith put Johnson halfway through the ropes not on the floor,and this is verified by Smith's own lips, but lets continue to my point ,Vitali was dropped in training by two sparring partners,[2007,]so should we exclude him?

Best Heavy Champion Chins?
McCall and Jeffries.


Valuev is a good shout, Jeannette is not, Johnson, who was not an explosive puncher floored Jeannette multiple times. Chuvalo makes it because he did not have much defence, and took big shots flush.
Your other choices are good.
Bonewna? and ps ,there is no E in Muhammad Ali.

 

Paulino Uzcdun, Tommy Farr, and Arturo Godoy might belong in the discussion.

 

I think skin toughness (cuts and swelling) should be considered a big factor in durability, as it is regularly how fighters otherwise durable lose fights.

Vitali's face falling apart VS Lewis disqualifies him as a durable fighter.

 

recovering powers, another big factor in durability

 

Recuperative powers ?
Ali in the 11th and 15th rds against Frazier in FOTC.
Holmes ,I still don't know how he got up from that Shavers right hand.

 

Yes , particularly Farr ,and Uzcudun.:good

 

I see, you dont count knockdowns in sparring as a reflection on Vitali's durability, but you do when it is Jack Johnson? :think Sounds reasonable.:rofl


A taped interview by the man who threw the punch is good enough for me. The NY Times did not have a reporter present at the sparring, they filed an AP report.

Vitali was floored by a body shot from Travis Walker, and shot to the chin by Raphael Butler.This was in 2005 Friday, April the 6th to be precise.

It happened at the Target Center Minneapolis Minn ,and was witnessed by Diego Corralles trainer Dickie Wood. Will that do you?
Here's confirmation.

TRAINER CONFIRMS “SHOBOX” CO-HEADLINERS FLOORED VITALI

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Within Days Of Each Other, Box Separate Foes
At The Target Center, Minneapolis, Minn., Friday, April 6, 2005, 11 p.m. ET/PT

NEW YORK (March 30, 2005) – Travis Walker and Raphael Butler knocked down then-

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[COLOR=blue !important]Boxing [/color][COLOR=blue !important]Council[/color][/color][/color] (WBC) heavyweight champion

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[COLOR=blue !important]Klitschko[/color][/color][/color] during sparring in late 2005, according to trainer Dickie Wood.

Witnesses on those separate November days in 2005 have been reluctant to speak about the incidents at the gym formerly known as the La Brea Boxing Academy.

That is not the case with Wood.

“I was there the whole time, and I saw it all,” said Wood, who co-trains Walker and serves as the head trainer for Diego Corrales.

“He (Klitschko) was throwing a jab and he pulled back and was coming forward. Butler hit him with a right hand and Klitschko went down and his knee twisted underneath him. That was the last day of sparring. It was on a Friday, one week before the fight against Hasim Rahman on Nov. 12, 2005.

“The day before, Walker hit him with a body shot. It was a left hook to the body, and it knocked Klitschko down.”

Heavy-hitting heavyweights Walker and Butler co-headline Friday, April 6, 2005, on “ShoBox: The New Generation.” SHOWTIME will air the doubleheader at 11 p.m. ET/PT (delayed on the west coast).

The undefeated Walker (22-0-1, 17 KOs) will face fellow unbeaten George “El Torito” Garcia (13-0, four KOs) in the 10-round main event. In the co-feature, Butler (25-3, 1 ND, 20 KOs) will meet Art Binkowski (14-1-3, 9 KOs) in an eight-round bout. Goossen Tutor Promotions and Secondsout Promotions will co-promote the event from The Target Center in Minneapolis, Minn.

Most sparring partners would boast if they had knocked down a world champion. Walker and Butler adhere to a different way of thinking, however.

For the past one-and-one-half years, in fact, the up-and-coming heavyweights have been respectfully silent and have mostly refused to discuss the training sessions. The only thing you will hear from Walker and Butler is a humble repentance.

Walker, who is coming off a career-best victory on “ShoBox” over 2004 Olympic Jason Estrada, barely will acknowledge the Klitschko knockdown occurred.

“I really don’t want to talk about that,” said Walker, who will turn 28 slightly more than two weeks after the “ShoBox” telecast. “I feel that what’s done in the gym should stay in the gym.”

While Walker won’t say much, Butler is apologetic.

“I keep telling Steve not to bring it up because I’m not the type of guy that boasts about stuff like that,” Butler said of his manager, Steve Munisteri. “I actually felt really bad about that because it was an $8 million fight for the championship. That was his (Klitschko’s) life. He lives boxing. I felt bad for that whole situation.”

“I am actually more interested in who they can knock down when there is no head gear,” said promoter Dan Goossen. “It is great experience to spar with a fighter like

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[/color][/color], but, when everything is said and done, those are all learning experiences that hopefully carry over when the bell actually rings for your fight.

“What will really speak volumes is if they (Walker and Butler) are able to knockdown great fighters as they continue their climb through the heavyweight ranks.”

For Walker and Butler, the Klitschko incident is all in the past. The only thing on their minds is preparing for their nationally televised fights April 6 on SHOWTIME."



David Price is rumoured to have dropped him too, but I dont count that as I can't provide proof.

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Pele Reid dropped Vitali during a kick boxing match.

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Vitali was the reigning WBC champ and was training to defend against Hashim Rahman,the injury he sustained when dropped , prompted his retirement

Jeannette was floored about 20 times as much as Johnson whom you say had a suspect chin.



Your tales of hand wraps are amusing, have you ever had your hands taped for a fight?
Are you aware that Jeffries only ever wore wraps once, and that was when he sustained hand damage?

 

So Vitali gets dropped by a livershot?

As I've said before at time, anyone can get dropped by that.
Even Mccall had to quit once against Tyson in a sparring match probably because of a livershot (after enormous amounts of sparring these 2 had).

I punched a friend pretty lightly in the liver when we were ****ing around( no pun intended) and he was already like holy**** this hurts ****ing bad.

Other 2 were true "chin *******s" on Vitali, though getting dropped by a tornado kick isn't really bad.
A spinning kick + 230 lbs guy is much worse than even a left hook from Wlad.

 

Both the boxers who dropped Vitali, Walker, and Butler ,are heavy duty bangers ,no shame being floored by them , particularly in sparring where different things are worked on . I only mentioned them to highlight some double standards by the thread maker.