Who were the most durable heavyweights ever?

Colonel Sanders · Dec 11, 2012

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I see, you dont count knockdowns in sparring as a reflection on Vitali's durability, but you do when it is Jack Johnson? :think Sounds reasonable.:rofl

A taped interview by the man who threw the punch is good enough for me. The NY Times did not have a reporter present at the sparring, they filed an AP report.

Vitali was floored by a body shot from Travis Walker, and shot to the chin by Raphael Butler.This was in 2005 Friday, April the 6th to be precise.

It happened at the Target Center Minneapolis Minn ,and was witnessed by Diego Corralles trainer Dickie Wood. Will that do you?
Here's confirmation.

TRAINER CONFIRMS SHOBOX CO-HEADLINERS FLOORED VITALI
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Within Days Of Each Other, Box Separate Foes
At The Target Center, Minneapolis, Minn., Friday, April 6, 2005, 11 p.m. ET/PT

NEW YORK (March 30, 2005) Travis Walker and Raphael Butler knocked down then-
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[COLOR=blue !important]Klitschko[/color][/color][/color] during sparring in late 2005, according to trainer Dickie Wood.

Witnesses on those separate November days in 2005 have been reluctant to speak about the incidents at the gym formerly known as the La Brea Boxing Academy.

That is not the case with Wood.

I was there the whole time, and I saw it all, said Wood, who co-trains Walker and serves as the head trainer for Diego Corrales.

He (Klitschko) was throwing a jab and he pulled back and was coming forward. Butler hit him with a right hand and Klitschko went down and his knee twisted underneath him. That was the last day of sparring. It was on a Friday, one week before the fight against Hasim Rahman on Nov. 12, 2005.

The day before, Walker hit him with a body shot. It was a left hook to the body, and it knocked Klitschko down.

Heavy-hitting heavyweights Walker and Butler co-headline Friday, April 6, 2005, on ShoBox: The New Generation. SHOWTIME will air the doubleheader at 11 p.m. ET/PT (delayed on the west coast).

The undefeated Walker (22-0-1, 17 KOs) will face fellow unbeaten George El Torito Garcia (13-0, four KOs) in the 10-round main event. In the co-feature, Butler (25-3, 1 ND, 20 KOs) will meet Art Binkowski (14-1-3, 9 KOs) in an eight-round bout. Goossen Tutor Promotions and Secondsout Promotions will co-promote the event from The Target Center in Minneapolis, Minn.

Most sparring partners would boast if they had knocked down a world champion. Walker and Butler adhere to a different way of thinking, however.

For the past one-and-one-half years, in fact, the up-and-coming heavyweights have been respectfully silent and have mostly refused to discuss the training sessions. The only thing you will hear from Walker and Butler is a humble repentance.

Walker, who is coming off a career-best victory on ShoBox over 2004 Olympic Jason Estrada, barely will acknowledge the Klitschko knockdown occurred.

I really dont want to talk about that, said Walker, who will turn 28 slightly more than two weeks after the ShoBox telecast. I feel that whats done in the gym should stay in the gym.

While Walker wont say much, Butler is apologetic.

I keep telling Steve not to bring it up because Im not the type of guy that boasts about stuff like that, Butler said of his manager, Steve Munisteri. I actually felt really bad about that because it was an $8 million fight for the championship. That was his (Klitschkos) life. He lives boxing. I felt bad for that whole situation.

I am actually more interested in who they can knock down when there is no head gear, said promoter Dan Goossen. It is great experience to spar with a fighter like
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[/color][/color], but, when everything is said and done, those are all learning experiences that hopefully carry over when the bell actually rings for your fight.

What will really speak volumes is if they (Walker and Butler) are able to knockdown great fighters as they continue their climb through the heavyweight ranks.

For Walker and Butler, the Klitschko incident is all in the past. The only thing on their minds is preparing for their nationally televised fights April 6 on SHOWTIME."

David Price is rumoured to have dropped him too, but I dont count that as I can't provide proof.
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Pele Reid dropped Vitali during a kick boxing match.
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Vitali was the reigning WBC champ and was training to defend against Hashim Rahman,the injury he sustained when dropped , prompted his retirement

Jeannette was floored about 20 times as much as Johnson whom you say had a suspect chin.

Your tales of hand wraps are amusing, have you ever had your hands taped for a fight?
Are you aware that Jeffries only ever wore wraps once, and that was when he sustained hand damage?
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:thumbsup

this explains a lot of things

Colonel Sanders · Dec 11, 2012

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So Vitali gets dropped by a livershot?

As I've said before at time, anyone can get dropped by that.
Even Mccall had to quit once against Tyson in a sparring match probably because of a livershot (after enormous amounts of sparring these 2 had).

I punched a friend pretty lightly in the liver when we were ****ing around( no pun intended) and he was already like holy**** this hurts ****ing bad.

Other 2 were true "chin *******s" on Vitali, though getting dropped by a tornado kick isn't really bad.
A spinning kick + 230 lbs guy is much worse than even a left hook from Wlad.
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I think McCall complained about being hit in the back, which would not be surprising as it was one of the many fouls Tyson used to great effect

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it was in the hip actually

as for you ****ing around with your friend

:fight

:gayfight

MadcapMaxie · Dec 11, 2012

Tony Galento only decked twice in over 100 proffesional fights by none other than the Brown Bomber.

Also I don't think Braddock has been mentioned.

Stevie G · Dec 11, 2012

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Good list.

FastHands(beeb) · Dec 11, 2012

I would ALWAYS include Rocky Marciano in ANY top 10 durable HW list...

Mendoza · Dec 11, 2012

mcvey said: ↑

Both the boxers who dropped Vitali, Walker, and Butler ,are heavy duty bangers ,no shame being floored by them , particularly in sparring where different things are worked on . I only mentioned them to highlight some double standards by the thread maker.
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Curtis Lowe · Dec 11, 2012

Marion Wilson, journeyman heavyweight who was seemingly impossible to hurt. He was once TKOed by a cut, but never KOed or TKOed other than that. And he fought the who's who of heavyweights.

DrMo · Dec 12, 2012

Pinklon Thomas deserves a mention, only down once & that was after a monsterous barrage by prime Tyson.

Even when past his best Bowe & Holyfield used him as a punching bag & he didnt go down.

Monty90 · Dec 12, 2012

Curtis Lowe said: ↑

Marion Wilson, journeyman heavyweight who was seemingly impossible to hurt. He was once TKOed by a cut, but never KOed or TKOed other than that. And he fought the who's who of heavyweights.
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Only thing with Wilson he tended to stick with 4-8 rounders and often just survive. He was down against Briggs and badly hurt by a Jeremy Williams uppercut, still a great chin but was not impossible to hurt.

mcvey · Dec 12, 2012

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You are happy to believe an AP report from an anonymous reporter, that was filed a 114 years ago , soley because it suits your agenda, yet you refuse to accept a first hand report from a named source who gives time date place,and names ,and this occurred just 7 years ago?

Do you have any iota of an idea how totally ridiculous this makes you?atsch

tommy the hat · Jan 27, 2013

Ali and George Chuvalo come to mind.

BadDog · Jan 27, 2013

Butler and Walker didn't drop Vitaly. Their coaches were just hyping them up.

Mendoza · Jan 28, 2013

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Butler and Walker didn't drop Vitaly. Their coaches were just hyping them up.
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I would like to hear Vitail speak on this.

Nightcrawler · Jan 28, 2013

your list and i like that you included your own criteria/justifications. one or two quick comments:

1)i don't think vitali took harder blows than chuvalo on film (or really even close) except for that uppercut lewis landed. chuvalo wasn't even fazed notably by a prime foreman going windmill on his face

2)if you include chuvalo's knockdown from Bonavena (from a push) you have to include vitali's knockdown against sanders (from a punch)

*note: i'm canadian and no doubt biased

like the list though in general and again, your explanations are sound

Johnstown · Jan 28, 2013

Tony Galento?

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