Who were Wlad's three best opponents?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Redbeard7, Nov 15, 2024.


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Poll closed Nov 22, 2024.
  1. Puritty

    2.0%
  2. 2000 Byrd

    22.4%
  3. Sanders

    17.3%
  4. 2004 Brewster

    7.1%
  5. Williamson

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. 2005 Peter

    11.2%
  7. Haye

    25.5%
  8. Povetkin

    72.4%
  9. Fury

    79.6%
  10. Joshua

    57.1%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. Finkel

    Finkel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Chagaev was Ring #3, and no longer held the WBA title, due to periods of sickness, injury, and inactivity. With Chagaev allegedly forced out of the Value rematch due to hepatitis. Then fought Wlad some months later. Vitali was recognised as #2 by the Ring at that time.

    Even so, as I said, no one has him their top 3, and he isn't even an option. Perhaps no one really recognized him as #2 after all, and it was as you say a coronation. A way to have elevate a champion as the brothers were not going to fight each other
     
  2. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    When it comes to establishing the lineage, it doesn't matter if you hold a title or not. WBA title holder was Valuev, but Chagaev already beat him for the same exact belt. A lot of people argued Chagaev was number 2 at the time. Vitali came back strong but I don't know if beating number 3 and number 9 rated fighters make you number 2 in the process. Especially since Wlad and Chagaev were established as 2 best guys in the period of his absence.

    At the end of the day, the perception of the lineal champion differs depending on the situation. Marvin Hart became the champion defeating Jack Root, but were they really 2 best heavyweights at the time? When exactly did Charles or Holmes became THE champions? Sometimes it's a process. Wlad has so many wins on his resume that can be perceived as the start of the new lineage that he without doubt was THE champion.

    I would argue Chagaev could be Wlad's Top 3 win. After Povetkin and Byrd.
     
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  3. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    [url]Briggs[/url] was the opponent who started Lewis's lineal reign but his record is poor.

    I don't think Chagaev is rated very highly because he's short, fat, positive for Hep-B (which caused him to pull out of fights with Ibragimov and three times for the Valuev rematch and the Haye fight didn't materialise, with Wlad thinking Haye would win according to Steward), was in the midst of a nine fight streak without a stoppage win (while fighting the likes of Skelton, Kertson Manswell and Travis Walker) and got completely schooled by Wlad, as well as comfortably beaten by [url]Povetkin[/url], who most have in Wlad's top 3. His zenith as far as pro wins goes was J. Ruiz and Valuev.

    Chagaev probably gets more credit than he deserves due to his stellar amateur record, including beating Solis and going 2-1 with [url]F. Savon[/url].
     
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  4. MagnificentMatt

    MagnificentMatt Beterbiev literally kills Plant and McCumby 2v1 Full Member

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    I hadn’t really watched Chagaev when he was active, but remembered a period where he was being touted as the guy to beat Wlad.

    Recently I watched some of his fights and was surprisingly disappointed. Seemed like his entire game revolves around pot shotting with the left hand and holding…

    I think Ibragimov was a much better fighter of similar stature.
     
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  5. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Ibragimov seems to be rated more highly than Chagaev:

    [url]https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/choose-five-wlad-victims-to-beat-prime-joshua.713346/[/url]

    Sultan was almost a stone overweight when he fought Austin, the draw was a bad look. There's not a lot on his record as he just wanted the Wlad payday and then to get out. Not his fault Chagaev pulled out, that would have been his best win if he pulled it off. Their fights against Wlad suggest that Sultan was better, Wlad had a much tricker time with him. I think it was before the Jennings fight when Wlad did a "best I faced" interview with Ring and he said that Ibragimov was his smartest and most skilful opponent.

    [url]Thompson[/url] and [url]Williamson[/url] tend to be underrated among Wlad's opponents.
     
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  6. BCS8

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    For me it's pretty arguable. I went Sanders, Povetkin and Joshua, but really you could argue Fury and Ibragimov as being deserving of a place too. Haye and Peter were also formidable and somewhat underrated nowadays.
     
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  7. BCS8

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    Chagaev was excellent and gave Povetkin a hellish fight.
     
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  8. soul_survivor

    soul_survivor New Member Full Member

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    Fur, AJ, Povetkin.

    It's a shame 2 of those came in the tail end of his career but one provided an all time great fight and the heavyweight division was reborn!
     
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  9. Drstillhammer

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    Gonna go with Povetkin, Brewster 1 and Fury.
     
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  10. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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    Fury, AJ, and Povetkin.
     
  11. Fisty_Cuffs_21

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    Fury, Saunders and Brewster
     
  12. MrPook

    MrPook Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fury, Joshua, Sanders
     
  13. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Chagaev gave Povetkin a far easier fight than Huck did and an easier fight than Chambers.

    5'11, fat cruiser with an abysmal stoppage record and positive for hepatitis. Completely useless against Wlad. Outside the amateurs, where was the "excellence"?
     
  14. BCS8

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    :lol: classic dino
     
  15. gollumsluvslave

    gollumsluvslave Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I suppose there are some semantics involved in answering the question:

    1. Is it the 3 opponents who gave the best performances against Wlad?
    2. Is it the 3 Wlad oponents who were the P4p / top 10 best when Wlad fought them?
    3. Is it Wlad opponents who had overall best resume / etc?
    4. Is it the opponents who gave us the best fights with Wlad?
    Etc etc

    Lots of ways to slice it - before I went for a combination of 2 & 3

    1 - would have to be Sanders, Brewster and either Byrd, Joshua or maybe Fury. Wlad was poor against Fury tho!
    4 - Would probably be Joshua, regardless of anything else that was a great fight, especially compared to Wlad v Fury or Wlad vs many others he hugged and jabbed to death
     
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