I know everyone has their faves but will you give credit if someone you dont like so much wins it all? Example if Froch somehow manages it?
It's often been said, you got fans of boxing and fans of a particular fighter, although i myself think that a lot of people are both, like you said everyone has their favourites. But if you're a real boxing fan, you'll give respect to the winner even if you don't like him much, and yes, even if it's that obnoxious ****-talker Carl Froch lol. Myself, out of the six i'm a fan of Abraham and of Ward (of the fighter Ward that is, i'm pretty averse to his creationist ideology), but if someone else takes it, how could i not give him props? I give the Klitschko's props and i'm no fan of theirs. Whoever wins in this field of competition deserves major credit.
We seen so many threads saying if ward wins s6 then beats bute is he classed as best SMW and better than people like calzaghe, so just wondering would same apply to them all.
Well here's the thing; Ward has displayed more dominance so far than any of the other participants and he's the only one who's kept his shiny undefeated record. Anybody else who wins will have one or more losses (hell Froch might lose for the second time in a row and still advance and win the tournament) and will probably be perceived by most as a little more tainted. Maybe that's wrong and maybe not, but that's the way it would probably be. Still, i don't think there's any doubt that if the winner of the tournament beats Bute right afterward he would and should be regarded as the #1 SMW, even if he has a few losses. But if it's not Ward i don't think he'll be automatically seen as better than Calzaghe.
Yes I would give credit to the Super 6 winner, but I think its a bit overated. The Super 6 gives great publicity to the fighters but dosent necessarily make them great fighters. But the public can often be so gullible that they believe that if they recognise a fighter hes automatically better than one thats not recognised. For example Ward may come through undefeated, but unlike Froch, Kessler and Dirrell, he wont have faced an undefeated fighter at any stage of the competition, every fighter he will have faced will have had a defeat, and his biggest win will probably have been Kessler.
The Super 6 fighters arent the best SMWs ever, though gullible fans believe they are, but if the winner of the Super 6 then fights Bute and wins it wont make him the best SMW ever by any degree, just look at the real facts of the fighters - 1. Kessler - proven world class fighter, but a fighter who was exposed by Calzaghe 2. Ward - deserves credit for beating Kessler, even with the headbutts, but wont have fought a single undefeated fighter throughout the competition 3. Froch - Limited but is willing, but has now lost to Kessler 4. Dirrell - Lost to Froch ands only big win is against a small former MW champ with no real SMW resume and no real big names during his MW reign 5. Abraham - As said above and will also have not fought an undefeated fighter throughout 6. Green - Beaten nobody of note and has a lesser resume than many current SMWs not in the competition. Thats not to say its not a good competition, but if the winner of the S6 fights Bute next, and wins, his SMW resume would still be below Calzaghes, Ottkes and arguably the SMW resumes of S Collins, Eubanks and even if Kessler loses, could possibly hold a better overall SMW resume
In essence, I agree with you that promotion made the super 6 make people believe they are the best when we can all agree that they are among the best. But I have a question, what does "expose" means? I thought that if a fighter was "expose" it means that theirs a blue print of how to beat the fighter. For example Kessler was beaten by Calzaghe, so it means that other fighters should have the same "game plan" against Kessler because Calzaghe exposed some weaknesses. But in this case, Ward did not make the same fight as Calzaghe, so I have problem when people are saying that Kessler was already expose. Except if I dont understand what "expose" means.
Ward used many things that Calzaghe showed against Kessler. Forward pressure and in fighting, yes Ward added his own stamp on it as Calzaghe had his, but Ward even said he saw things in the Calzaghe fight he used and things he saw in that fight to beat Kessler
Automatically top 3 p4p for the winner IMO. P4P rank seems to be the new "title". Before if you had a title you had leverage, these days its no surprise the biggest draws reside in the top 10 p4p at the least.
anyone who doesn't give credit to the winner should stop watching boxing and go and find another sport... it doesn't matter if you like them or not.the winner should get full credit!! there is a very good bunch of fighters in the super six with every style you can find.thats what makes this tournament so intriguing.
Id give a solid amount of credit. The winner would have faced a high concentration of talented opposition for a span of 2 years. It may not be THE top 6 guys at smw, but I don't think anyone can argue that the talent assembled is better than individual fighters would have fought over the same span. Even if someone loses a fight, but wins the tourney, they deserve a lot of credit. Styles make fights and when you mix it up with quality opposition consistently, losses happen. I hope we get more tournaments like this in the future.
On one hand the winner deserves credit for fighting a series of good fighters in a relatively short time. On the other hand, how good these "good fighters" were is open to debate. Ward's best win before the tournament was a damaged Miranda. Green lost to Miranda. Dirrell's best win was Hanshaw. Taylor lost 3 of his previous 4 fights, and got knocked out in two of them. Froch's best win is still a damaged Jermain Taylor. None of these guys should be elevated to P4P top 10 status simply because they are participating in a tournament that has a slick marketing campaign behind it. The S6 winner will be one of three world titlists in a fragmented division. How high we rate the tourney winner will depend on who has the other two titles, and what is going on with fighters outside the tournament.
