Who will rank higher in the ATG list, Joe Calzaghe or Emmanuel Pacquiao?

Pacquiao and it isn't even close

 

Come on now, even you are better than this.

 

trick question, calzaghe isn't on the atg list.

joe is on the HoF list for clocking up 21 defences over 11 years, next to barry mcguigan who got his hof status in just one fight and 45 minutes.

 

:good kell brook is following his foot steps, it's shame because I do think Brook is talented.

 

Yeah no, Pac still has wins over barrera/morales before he started cheating, who are both higher atgs than Calzaghe himself.

 

Pacquiao and not even close for me.

 

this is why joe is always going to bottom out in h2hs, because he was defending at subeuro level for a decade.

even in his own division, joe is the lowest achiever if you take into account the time taken to aggregate his acheivements, plenty did it faster at smw than joe.

 

Exactly

 

you are comparing opponents like barrera and morales with opponents like Kessler (a good, unifed champ in a weak division, not an atg or hofer) and lacy (much worse, a puppet titlist).

theres no justification for saying "calzaghe does though, hes got three of them".

and lets not get started on joes 40something club, I don't think many wuld have the paucity of character to do that (only Marquez gets that because it was they kept rematching again and again until he turned 40!)

 

oh sorry mate got it all wrong.

yup Kessler and lacy were good defences, but they were simply joes first elite opponent in his last ever defence, and a puppet, respectively.

 

The zaggers. Manny is the filipino Jeff Lacy.

 

Is this a joke thread? Clearly Pac.

 

TBH someones body isn't an indication PED use, just look at fat Toney or scrawny Morales. Although Calzaghe was probably clean.

 

joe was the all-time cherrypicker.

 

Joe the GOAT :happy