Who Wins at 160: Sugar Ray Leonard vs Roy Jones Jr.?

Jones never fought anyone with the skills of a SRL. Jones gets his Glass Jaw shattered late in the fight.

Also SRL's resume shits all over Roy's.

 

Roy Jones wins a wide UD possible stoppage. Faster, stronger, and probably the only fighter in the history of the sport who was more athletic then SRL

 

atsch what a shock rico, what a shock

 

besides rico by your criteria leonard has a "Glass Jaw": dropped by journeyman kevin howard, dropped by donny ****ing lalonde, knocked out by feather fisted camacho. ****, he even gets extra points for being knocked out when he was shot to ****. i mean jones was knocked out when he was shot to pieces and that seems to be all the criteria you need to label him glass jaw, so the same must go for leonard right? unless you just hate roy jones

 

don't always agree with you iron fist but you're bang on with this one

 

No. Leonard fought Duran twice and did not go down. He fought Hearns and was only knocked down in the fight when he was passed his best. He fought Hagler.

Roy did not fight ANYONE the caliber of these fighters.

SRL had a very good Chin.

Now lets look at Roy who got his Glass Jaw shattered in 2 by Tarver and the brutally Koed for 6 minutes by Glen Johnson who is feather fisted. Jones was not as 'shot' as you say he was in these fights. Was he passed his best? Probably. But he was far from being 'shot'. Also he was completely embarrassed by feather fisted Calzaghe and sparked out in 2 minutes by Danny Green. SRL was never stopped like that. Ever.

It is funny how people on here said Jones was 'shot' after the Tarver and Johnson losses then after Trinidad, and Sheika he was not shot then after Green he was back to being shot. See a pattern here? Jones is only 'shot' according to his nuthuggers and followers on here when he loses. When he wins it is all fine and dandy.

BTW, you are not a Jones nuthugger you are one of the few realistic Jones fans on this forum. :good

 

You think lightweight Duran has more power then lightheavyweight Glen Johnson or Antonio Tarver. :think.

You think Macho Camacho punches as hard as cruiser Danny Green. Never mind the punch hit Roy in the back of the head, not on his chin.

His legs were completely gone as a figher. The old Roy JOnes could move around the ring, pick his spots to attack, and only got cornered when he wanted to get cornered. This Roy Jones obviously shot. He didnt have near the movement he had in his prime.

Calzaghe has something like a 70+ KO percentage.

He never got hit in the back of the head by a cruiserweight. NOt a valid comparison

Watching the Tito fight it was clear Jones was shot. Same with Sheika and Lacy. He just laid against the ropes, because he doesnt have the legs he once had to execute his style. So he lays against the ropes and thats the only way he can get his punches off.


As for some of his fans saying he wasnt shot because he beat Sheika and Lacy, and for those who believed what he said about gong back to his unorthodox style, I called them morons. Those types hurt Roy by making him believe he has something left when he doesnt.

 

Leonard was at his best at welter.

Roy by UD.

 

Gasp! No ****?

 

There are 2 facts about Jones.1.He had(has) a glass jaw.2.He was shot by the time he was 33.Just look at the Johnson and Tarver fights.His formally sublime footspeed was nonexistent and he was content to defend off the ropes,getting beaten all over the place.Even his "victory" over Tarver demonstrates how quickly his footwork had slowed down.Due to the fact his technical skills were always nonexistent,once his reflexes/footwork dulled,he was extremely susceptible to anyone that could hit him,which at that point has proven to be many.As far as Hagler is concerned,the one that fought Leonard was shot.If you don't believe me,just look at the Mugabi fight and see for yourself.Hagler couldn't get out of shots that he would have slipped easily just a couple of years before.If Hagler didn't have such a great chin,Mugabi would have knocked him out.And Leonard knew Hagler was shot because that's why he fought him when he did.Leonard spent at least 6 years contemplating a Hagler bout,periodically teasing Hagler and boxing fans with his comments.But he avoided Hagler like the plague until he was certain that Marvin was shot,which he was.

 

Roy Jones.

 

im gonna be honest rico, i can't disagree with a whole lot in this post. i would never imply leonard had a bad chin: his chin was obviously tremendous as you point out. i just find that the standards you hold roy to are sometimes different from others. we'll always disagree but i feel roy was on the slide when he first fought tarver and shot after johnson. i think tarver and johnson should get a lot of credit for the wins because that was still a damn good roy jones in there. however, i think that roys chin suffered in the drop down from heavy. he likely never had a great chin. i have seen him take some shots and I feel his chin was ok throughout his career and is complete garbage now.

leonard's chin should never be doubted but his power should. at 160, i don't think he had the power, strength, speed to take advantages of roy's only average chin. at middle, roy wouldn't have taken enough hits to go down and leonard was no one punch bomber at that weight. i personally feel roy would take this on superior athleticism (looking at times similar to the norris fight).

and rico you have a TON of boxing knowledge. this is a great, non-glass jaw rankings post!

 

Very perceptive.

 

i dont think Jones would know what to do against a guy like Leonard who could counter punch if he wanted , work behind a jab or could just furiously attack with punches full of meaning. He had good footwork and threw combinations that could easily pierce through Jones " one hand up / shoulder roll "

 

Leonard was good but this is not his best weight, he outboxed Hagler but can he outbox Jones?

Jones has a good size advantage here. Leonard's really only advantage is he was older at 160 and more experienced, and he had a proven chin. Jones wasnt prime until 168 or so... but still I think that Jones speed and elusiveness lets him outbox Leonard from the outside. SRL can be outboxed as he was by hearns who also has speed. SRL is used to having the speed advantage so I think Jones would surprise him.


But idk Leonard has a chance with his combinations if he pressures Jones up into the ropes like Hopkins did. Hopkins managed to win about 4 rounds when most people were lucky to get a round against Roy. And SRL does have heart and chin. Its just that his prime was at 147 and 154. He was getting tired at the end of the Hagler fight and wasnt at his best.