Who Wins at 168? Kessler vs Taylor?

san rafael · Feb 17, 2009

DStew said: ↑

Everyone predicting Kessler beats Taylor by KO has seen the Mundine fight, right?
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Slider75 · Feb 17, 2009

DStew said: ↑

Everyone predicting Kessler beats Taylor by KO has seen the Mundine fight, right?
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Thats right! they know Kessler was only 60% in that fight, he had a back injury before the fight and was only able to take about 30 sparring rounds! but he didn`t pospone the fight of that reason, did you see how tired he was after 12 rounds? and compare that to his other fights!

san rafael · Feb 17, 2009

Slider75 said: ↑

Thats right! they know Kessler was only 60% in that fight, he had a back injury before the fight and was only able to take about 30 sparring rounds! but he didn`t pospone the fight of that reason, did you see how tired he was after 12 rounds? and compare that to his other fights!
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Of course. These things happen.. You know, Floyd Mayweather had his shoulder ripped off in a farming accident before Castillo I, and Kelly Pavlik was infected with the AIDS virus before the Hopkins fight.

imp4pdabest · Feb 17, 2009

san rafael said: ↑

Of course. These things happen.. You know, Floyd Mayweather had his shoulder ripped off in a farming accident before Castillo I, and Kelly Pavlik was infected with the AIDS virus before the Hopkins fight.
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cuchulain · Feb 18, 2009

TFFP said: ↑

I agree, but I think he has other issues. I am not a believer in his stamina over 12 rounds if he is put under consistent pressure. I also think he loses concentration, not just to stick to a gameplan, but dropping his hands when he is tired - defensive issues.

Kessler has his own problems too, but not quite so glaring.
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Are you agreeing that Taylor wins ?

zerocool1523 · Feb 18, 2009

kessler by UD.

asero · Feb 19, 2009

MAG1965 said: ↑

Yeah, .I agree. Usually that is one aspect of boxing people rarely analyze -consistency of fighters gameplans. Taylor is a guy who has great skills, but he is so good he seems to be able to eek out rounds just on his skill without a real gameplan and never needing one. Yet he almost lost fights and lost one fight without it. I know he had a gameplan with Pavlik in the rematch, but just the times he strayed a little showed he could not really stick to it mentally. Sometimes when he was fighting I was watching him and he is all over the place not really doing anything with prethought or planning, just rather just winning from his speed and going through the motions. Maybe he won his title too young. He had the skills to beat Bernard, but his experience was not great enough to learn the whole game before he fought all the good guys he did in that 3 year period. Great skills. But when he gets in a tough fight he loses his concentration like you said. Too bad. I think he could have been a great fighter had he had more discipline. Give him Bernard's discipline and he would be hard to beat. Maybe when he gets older he will plan more and learn how to win fights with his head and not just his skills. Some fighters have such good skills but never learned how to apply the discipline and boxing technique to them. A guy who seems to fall into this category is Zab Judah. Although I am not comparing Taylor to Judah. Taylor is a better fighter. Hearns is a guy who fought so well when he was younger, but lost to Ray when he was inexperienced. He tried everything to beat Ray, but he did not have a real gameplan to beat Ray. He was so good he didn't need any. After Ray he started to have gameplans more but still would stray like with Hagler-and that was part of Hearns makeup. When he beat Hill 10 years after that he was disciplined and had a gameplan. So when Tommy's skills went down, he did adjust and have more gameplans. Hearns is great because he readjusted and learned the whole game.
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nice analysis...i would really have to agree with you..the problem with taylor is he is trying to be a KO artist when in fact he is not. he loses his focus and stray away from the game plan. i believe if he fight abraham, he would stick to the game plan. that is the only way to defeat the best chin in the sport

Hermit · Feb 19, 2009

asero said: ↑

nice analysis...i would really have to agree with you..the problem with taylor is he is trying to be a KO artist when in fact he is not. he loses his focus and stray away from the game plan. i believe if he fight abraham, he would stick to the game plan. that is the only way to defeat the best chin in the sport
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deleted. wrong thread. sorry, nothing to see here, please move on.

fitzgeraldz · Feb 19, 2009

Jermain Taylor UD ... or late rounds stoppage ... it not impossible for Taylor to win and its very possible that he could win by knockout.

Kessler is good but he's not as schooled as Taylor ... he got hurt by Calzaghe on a body shot ... i'm sure that Taylor could finish him off.

Realspitts · Feb 19, 2009

kess by UD

Rock0052 · Feb 19, 2009

MAG1965 said: ↑

Yeah, .I agree. Usually that is one aspect of boxing people rarely analyze -consistency of fighters gameplans. Taylor is a guy who has great skills, but he is so good he seems to be able to eek out rounds just on his skill without a real gameplan and never needing one. Yet he almost lost fights and lost one fight without it. I know he had a gameplan with Pavlik in the rematch, but just the times he strayed a little showed he could not really stick to it mentally. Sometimes when he was fighting I was watching him and he is all over the place not really doing anything with prethought or planning, just rather just winning from his speed and going through the motions. Maybe he won his title too young. He had the skills to beat Bernard, but his experience was not great enough to learn the whole game before he fought all the good guys he did in that 3 year period. Great skills. But when he gets in a tough fight he loses his concentration like you said. Too bad. I think he could have been a great fighter had he had more discipline. Give him Bernard's discipline and he would be hard to beat. Maybe when he gets older he will plan more and learn how to win fights with his head and not just his skills. Some fighters have such good skills but never learned how to apply the discipline and boxing technique to them. A guy who seems to fall into this category is Zab Judah. Although I am not comparing Taylor to Judah. Taylor is a better fighter. Hearns is a guy who fought so well when he was younger, but lost to Ray when he was inexperienced. He tried everything to beat Ray, but he did not have a real gameplan to beat Ray. He was so good he didn't need any. After Ray he started to have gameplans more but still would stray like with Hagler-and that was part of Hearns makeup. When he beat Hill 10 years after that he was disciplined and had a gameplan. So when Tommy's skills went down, he did adjust and have more gameplans. Hearns is great because he readjusted and learned the whole game.
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Excellent analysis :thumbsup

Axe · Feb 19, 2009

Maxime said: ↑

Taylor is a pretty damn good fighter.

But unfortunately for him. Kessler does everything better.
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Kessler is naturally bigger and stronger. But has less balls.

Sean101 · Feb 19, 2009

Kessler Tko round 9 or 10

asero · Feb 19, 2009

fitzgeraldz said: ↑

Jermain Taylor UD ... or late rounds stoppage ... it not impossible for Taylor to win and its very possible that he could win by knockout.

Kessler is good but he's not as schooled as Taylor ... he got hurt by Calzaghe on a body shot ... i'm sure that Taylor could finish him off.
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if calzaghe cant KO kessler, i do not think taylor would KO kessler..taylor is more concerned on boxing and winning on points..that is his game..

Hermit · Feb 19, 2009

asero said: ↑

if calzaghe cant KO kessler, i do not think taylor would KO kessler..taylor is more concerned on boxing and winning on points..that is his game..
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That's why I think Taylor/JC would have been a great fight. Both rely on speed.

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