who-wins-cotto vs clottey

I've noticed what you're trying to do except that you're failing miserably.

You're basing your statements on broad assumptions with nothing to back it up. That is not what I'm doing.

Of course I don't know for sure that Cotto was tired. Being tired is an opinion. You can never prove an opinion to be correct. There is no way to factually prove that someone is tired(even if they tell you their tired, that's still an opinion). Saying that Margo cheated against Cotto is your opinion, but it's a comment on fact. There's a way to factually prove that Margo cheated against Cotto. However, you have no physical evidence and very little circumstantial evidence to prove that Margo cheated against Cotto. In fact, I can provide more circumstantial evidence that he didn't cheat in that fight than you can provide that he did fight.

The difference is that you don't know how to play the game. You're asking me to prove a negative(proving that something didn't happen) like that's equivlent to me asking you to prove a positive(proving that something did happen). Proving a negative is basically impossible. Why do you think the U.S justice system assumes innocence and forces the prosecution to prove someone guilty? Imagine how many people would unjustly be imprisioned if they had to prove that they were innocent if they were accused of a crime. Again, you don't want to go down this path. You don't know what you're talking about.

 

again - i'm not talking about the Margarito fight anymore. like you said i dont have solid evidence although there was some shady **** going on which i wont mention to not keep this circle going....

someone saying they're tired is not an opinion, its a confession which holds high value in the justice system. if the guy says he is tired, i'll take that as proof and not opinion - if the guy says someone else is tired - THATS an opinion. which is what you're doing, which is what i was doing. its all opinions but you're the one that has to go looking for the 7 legs of a fkn cat saying i have nothing to base my assumptions on.

 

Yes it is. I suggest you consult an English teacher and let them explain to you the difference between fact and opinion. I assure you that saying you're tired is most definately an opinion.

Statements can be broken down into two basic categories; fact and opinion. A confession could be either a fact or an opinion. Example; "I am 26 years old". That's a confession that is a statement of fact. "I am pissed off". That's a confession that is an opnion.

You don't know what you're talking about. You clearly don't know the difference between a fact and an opinion. This isn't even complicated stuff.

There's only so many ways I can break it down to you. It's pretty obvious that you simply don't get it. You don't know the difference between a fact and an opinion and you don't seem to know the difference between proving a negative and proving a positive. This conversation is going nowhere considering you don't even grasp these basic concepts.

 

If Cotto trains and gets the condition to fight every minute of the 12 rounds he will definately win a UD and if Joshua gets in the ropes too much, a big damage in the rib cage will definately happen.

 

You guys sound like two little bitches arguing about what is a fact and what is an oppinion!!

whats next he said she said argumnents?

stick to boxing fellas

 

How about you stick to your own ****in business.:yep

 

Shut the hell up with that garbage!:verysad

 

just a question BigReg - what are defense teams used for in the court room? to prove a negative correct? to defend a suspect in something he is being accused of, sometimes they get the job done, sometimes they dont. i agree - proving a negative is difficult but not impossible. Johnnie Cochran for example with OJ. sure it was a technicality but in the end Cochran got the job done. the only reason we cannot prove a negative (Margo loading his gloves in the past) is because no formal investigation has been launched. for now i can speculate and assume which is what i'm doing. i'm using examples i've never seen before in boxing and some good old logic to come up with my assumptions. and for you to say my assumptions are "delusional" or that i shouldnt even state my opinion or you make it seem like my opinions are not valid, well who da hell are you to tell me what to think?

 

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Cotto by decision.

 

Clottey by decision, possibly stoppage.

 

This is fight is going to be fought at a fairly quick pace, with a lot of powershots thrown and potentially could start out as a war.

Its on Clottey to prove that he can thrive at the pace through the mid and later rounds.

Cotto likes to pick his spots against big punchers, he will power combo's and move and he will be consistent about it. If Clottey does not consistently punish him, or covers up in his shell it could lead to giving many rounds away.

Clottey needs to look to counterpunch the hell out of Cotto, as well as force the action. He is going to have to do this and go on the offensive like more then he ever has in any previous fight. He has to be a man on a mission here.

I don't think too much significant will take place on the inside, because when Cotto elects to fight there, he will receive more punishment then he dishes out. You heard me. The inside fighting will be to Joshuas favor, because it will allow him to be in close range whilst keeping the high guard, something he has proven to capitalize on extremely well when the other fighter gives him this chance.

All in all, Clottey's conditioning has to be there for this fight, but at the same time he still also has to make weight. While I don't expect it, I would not be surprised if we see some scale issues before the fight on Clotteys end, because as has already been mentioned, he kills himself to make weight more then any other fighter in the division, which is the main reason to much of his injuries and his conditioning problem and his lulls in his defensive shell.


Its an extremely tall order for Clottey. Cotto will and should be favored to win this based off proving himself through his much more stellar competition and consistency of workrate, but I am picking Clottey to show up to do what he has to do to win, because if he's proven one thing, he has proven he shows up to win his fights, and most importantly he adapts his gameplan as the fight progresses to give him an edge. He's a freak in terms of the fact that, he doesn't really need a trainer to give him tips or advice because he is able to see what is going on and make the necessary adjustments himself. He really is an intelligent fighter and awesome to watch and I think he will get a lot of new fans after fighting Cotto, win or lose.

 

lol, i love that reply... your a G