Who wins - Dariusz Michalczewski vs Roy Jones Jr ?

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  1. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    'The one fighter who might provide Jones with a test is Michalczewski, the World Boxing Organization champion and onetime owner of two of Jones' belts before being stripped of them.

    But don't hold your breath for that fight to happen anytime soon.

    "Not for the money they are offering," says Jones, who doesn't deny he wants $10 million for the bout. Michalczewski promoter Klaus-Peter Kohl reportedly has offered Jones $5 million.

    "I deserve to be in with better guys, but I also deserve to be paid well," Jones says. "If they pay me, I'll be in there with Dariusz. I don't want to fight the Richard Halls, Antonio Tarvers or Eric Hardings. What have they done to deserve to fight Roy Jones?"

    "Let him fight in the U.S. on TV a couple of times so people can become familiar with him. I don't even know if he's good enough to beat the American fighters at the top of the rankings. I'm in the spot he wants to be in. I'm No. 1. I'm the one in charge.

    "I'm a businessman. I didn't get where I am being a damn fool .It ain't hard to interest me. Pay me right, you've got a fight. Who don't know that about Roy Jones?"

    The prospects for a Dariusz Michalczewski bout are "$20-25 million to fight him in Germany. After what happened in Korea, that's what I need. He barely beat Richard Hall. They can say linear all they want to. Who got a win over James Toney, Reggie Johnson, Vinny Pazienza, and Hopkins? He don't wanna fight these guys."


    So Roy wanted a king's ransom to go over to fight a guy in Germany who he ''didn't know was good enough to beat the American fighters at the top of the rankings'' and who was ''barely able to get past Richard Hall'', a fighter Roy literally toyed with all night and beat with contemptuous ease? lol

    He didn't want to fight in Europe because he was robbed in Asia as an amateur? lol

    He didn't want to go over there to fight Dariusz and get robbed even though he'd seen his countryman Virgil Hill (a fighter he'd knocked out in four rounds) go over there and come away with a close decision, one that I wasn't alone in thinking at the time was controversial (although to be fair I haven't seen it for a very long time) over the insanely popular unbeaten German ''Golden Boy'' Henry Maske whose popularity in Deutschland rivaled that of a pint of bear and watching football?

    Indigenous German Maske was a hell of a lot more popular over there than Polish born Dariusz was but funny how those evil Germans who obviously would've had a fair amount of Korean blood coursing through their veins didn't rob Roy KO victim Virgil Hill when he went over there. Roid was obviously well aware of that too.

    This is how popular Maske was in Germany.

    "The German boxing business really started in 1992 when my dad did the deal for [German boxer] Henry Maske with [TV channel] RTL," insists Kalle Sauerland, whose father Wilfred kept the business ticking over for 15 years before the Maske deal. "There are three people responsible for boxing in Germany: Wilfred Sauerland, Henry Maske and Hans Mahr of RTL because he took the risk and it looked like a risk at the time." Maske went on and had 12 world title fights between 1993 and 1996 and averaged 17.8m viewers, with a peak at 23m.

    "When Henry boxed it was like a national holiday," remembers Sauerland.[/QUOTE]

    They used to call Maske the ''Michael Jordan of Germany'' over there for goodness sake! Maske vs Hill was a unification match up with both Hill's WBA belt and Maske's IBF one on the line and obviously a huge event for German boxing (it was the most expensive one in German boxing history).

    MUNICH, GERMANY. On the evening of Saturday, November 23th, Germany`s Henry Maske and Virgil Hill from the USA were scheduled to meet in the ring for the unification of their IBF & WBA Light Heavyweight world titles. Maske had planned this to be his farewell match (`My greatest dream is to retire as an undefeated world champion.`). As usual, a whole bunch of stars and wannabe-stars were showing up at ring-side, surrounded by patriotic fans on the cheaper places. The rest of the nation was at home watching TV, where the fight was not broadcasted but celebrated.

    Maske was also highly accomplished amateur who'd brought back gold medals in the Olympics, the world amateur championships (and also a silver too), and three golds from the European championships. He was revered like a god over there. He was also undefeated as a pro with (30) with 10 world title fights under his belt.

    Maske-Hill I would actually have been a draw had one of the judges scored it a point the other way. Just a single point on the Swiss judge's card meant the difference between the most popular fighter in German history losing his unbeaten record and IBF strap.

    But American Roy KO victim Hill was still awarded a split decision over there, snapping Maske's 30 fight unbeaten run in the process, both of which there was an awful lot of people in Germany who had vested interests in not see happen, in a fight that would've been declared a draw if one judge (a European judge) scored differently by a solitary point in an event that was not only the most expensive in German boxing history but was also supposed to be Maske's farewell fight before heading off into the sunset with his immaculate record intact. lol

    "Hopkins asking for 10 million is the best way to say no without saying no, you dig?' Jones concluded. "But nobody will write that. Why do Roy got to be the one to give everybody a chance and help them make money?"

    ---Roy Jones Jr.

    But when Roy does the same with other fighters it's a completely different story. He's actually saying yes when he prices himself out. lol
     
  2. Serge

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    Roy said he needed to score a KO over in Germany to win. Funny how his KO4 victim Virgil Hill, who Roy had beaten with ease, didn't need to score a knockout over there to get his hand raised in a close fight against Henry Maske (which Roy obviously was well aware of) who was

    The most popular German boxer in German boxing history (sans Max Schmeling)
    In the most expensive event in German boxing history
    A fighter who was nicknamed ''The Michael Jordan of Germany''
    Who was almost worshiped like a god in Germany
    Who averaged 17.8m viewers on TV, with a peak at 23m.
    Who when he boxed it was ''like a national holiday"
    In a fight that ''wasn't broadcast but celebrated''
    A fight that was supposed to be ''The German Michael Jordan's'' farewell fight before he rode off into the sunset with his immaculate spotless undefeated record intact after compiling a stellar amateur (Olympic gold, World Amateur Championships gold & silver, and 3 golds at the European championships) and pro career.

    How badly do you think they all wanted Maske to win that fight and especially not see him lose, lose his belt, his career defining unification fight, his unbeaten record, again, in the most expensive event in German boxing history? Roy knew this because Hill is the fighter who Dariusz beat to unify the WBO, WBA, and IBF straps way back in 1997.

    Funny how Julio Cesar Gonzalez didn't need a KO to get his hand raised over in Germany when he won a close decision over Dariusz in a fight where there was a lot on the line. Had Dariusz been awarded the decision he would've equaled Marciano's long standing record of 49 fights without a loss.
     
  3. Serge

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    Dariusz fought in the USA against an American when he was an amateur and was robbed IMO. He lost all 3 rounds on the judges scorecards in a fight where he CLEARLY won one of the rounds and I thought he won 2.

    Although a fight between DM and Roy wouldn't have taken place there, Roy actually fought in DM's country of birth later on in his career against unbeaten(17-0) Polish prospect Pawel Glazewski and guess what happened? Roy was the beneficiary of a gift decision in a fight that Dan Rafael and a rival forum of this one scored to the Pole 97-92 and 98-71 respectively.

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  4. Serge

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    Rico and Loudon are 2 sides of the same coin lol.
     
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  5. vargasfan1985

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    What he said^

    RJJ didn't want DM. It was LITERALLY the fight at 175 and EVERYONE into boxing would have tuned in.

    Disgraceful that the fight wasn't made.
     
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  6. Brixton Bomber

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    Would have been a great fight!
     
  7. greenhornet

    greenhornet Boxing Addict Full Member

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    bernard and roy ran their mouths on hbo multiple times. hbo definitely wanted it to happen. guess it is a matter of opinion which guy didn't want it. both wanted everything in their favor. every time roy fought for a gandful of years hbo would produce the names and records of at least five top guys for roy to fight. out of those names the only ones he ever fought were bernard after it didn't matter and calzaghe when rjjr fans say it didn't matter. other than that he dug up nobodies from australia and other places.
     
  8. greenhornet

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    he claims he pursued them.
     
  9. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Serge,

    We've been at this before. Ha!

    I've nothing but respect for Virgil. But that doesn't mean that Roy wasn't well within his rights to not want to travel.

    We both saw Dariusz feign injury to get Roch disqualified which was bizarre, and we've seen Ottke get wins over Brewer etc.
     
  10. Loudon

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    Serge,

    I felt sorry for Pawel Glazewski that night. I definitely had him winning.

    Regarding the video, anybody can say anything.

    Despite what Dariusz said, he and Kohl clearly weren't willing to fight Roy in the U.S.

    I don't blame them for that. It didn't make sense. But they should never have kidded to the fans and pretended they were.

    At times, HBO hung out Roy to dry. But Kerry Davis is on record saying that he and Brad Jacobs did all they could to negotiate with Kohl, but he wasn't interested.
     
  11. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    No.

    Roy didn't want to fight in Germany.

    Kerry Davis of HBO tried to make the fight with Roy's team.

    When they couldn't get Peter Kohl on the phone, they faxed over a proposal of a double header which would have introduced Dariusz to the U.S. public. Yet it was flatly refused without any consideration or negotiation.
     
  12. Loudon

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    It's not a matter of opinion, not unless you don't believe guys like Dan Rafael, and the likes of Mark Taffet of HBO.

    HBO and Roy's team spoke to Bernard in private, away from the cameras. They offered him $6m and the opportunity to have a comeback fight on their network if he'd have lost. Bernard refused and demanded $10m. He then spent 12 months out before coming back and fighting Morrade Hakkar for about $1.3m.

    Show me the list of guys who HBO wanted him to fight who he didn't.

    He didn't dig up guys from Australia, he had mandatory obligations from all of the major org's.
     
  13. Loudon

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    No.

    We have evidence.

    HBO publicly backed him when he said certain fights couldn't be made.

    Frankie Liles's ex manager said that Frankie blew a great fight with Roy by demanding more money at the last moment. He was so mad with him, he ended up leaving him.

    Evander Holyfield's attorney has said that Roy approached Evander on 2 occasions to pursue a fight.
     
  14. greenhornet

    greenhornet Boxing Addict Full Member

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    watch the damn hbo broadcasts and you'll see the lists.
     
  15. Loudon

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    The onus is on you to show me.

    HBO had an approved list of fighters.

    They publicly backed him when along with his team, they tried to make fights with Liles, Dariusz and Bernard.

    The only time they hung him out to dry in public, was when he fought Frazier. But that was unfair as King had manipulated things to get Frazier into the mandatory position. It had nothing to do with Roy. After the fight, they showed a list of guys who they wanted Roy to fight. I think this is what you've referred to.

    The fighters on the list were: Dariusz, Bernard, Reggie Johnson, Gracianio Rocchigiani and David Telesco.

    Again, despite what he said, Dariusz wouldn't go to America. Again, Bernard demanded silly money and clearly didn't want the fight. And in the 12 months that followed, Roy went on to fight Reggie and Telesco.