Who wins - Dariusz Michalczewski vs Roy Jones Jr ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9_Dxs51QvI&feature=related


how the hell can this plodder beat Jones @ Jones peak???

 

Jones never got hit in his prime, Dariuz was there to be hit.


Jones was way way faster, could fight vs Pressure fighters in their prime (Gonzalez/others)


If you watching the jones vs Glenn Johnson/Tarver then yes I agree Dariuz (peak beats Jones)


but if you think that was prime ROy Jones then you need treatment. LOL

 

Prime Michalczewski was an animal, but most people argueing here never saw those fights, or any at all. He just faded gravely when his drinking and partying habits and his divorce took his spirit, he was never the same after he left his woman and kid. And that was way before he was 35. The guy fighting Harmon, Gonzales et al was already a shell of himself.

Dariusz also never got hit that much in his prime before he used that as a way to punish himself. On the weekend when he left his kid he had a fight against a mere tomato filler type, and he let that guy tee off on him for whole five rounds without fighting back at all. Similar to what he did against Harmon later. Only when he had enough after punishing himself for that five rounds, he fought back and KOed that guy in the same round.

 

You can have your delusion, and I'll have mine. Mine didn't dodge your delusion.

Like I said in my first post, I'd thought it a 3-2 fight for Jones. DM had the much better jab, a better cross....Jones did have a nice hook, but technacally was not well trained.

yep hitting after the break.
I had Rocky ahead and I was a fan of his too.
Rocky spent a couple of years in jail, before the rematch.

 

much true.... that he was very good in his prime.
But has little to do with perceptions.


You guys saw Jones I was lucky to have seen many DM fights...I liked him a hell of a lot as a fighter.
I've been watching fights since the days of Rocky Marchinao and Archi Moore.
DM was impressive...any slugger who can out box Hill was pretty good. Hill should have gotten on his bike in round 4 and not in round 8.

Jones signed to fight Buster Douglas...and gave up his Lt. Heavy title.

By the way, Rochachini beat Nunn for the Vacant titel in the ring...that Jones ended back up with...Rochachanni being the first ever "interum Champ"...And Jones would give the real Champ only 1/3 so the fight never took place....in the Court later the WBC? ended up owing Rocky 20,000,000 and Rocky had to settle for 10,000,000 because the WBC would have gone broke...that's half a million for twenty years....

Rocky beat a Prime Nunn for the title in the ring, so was not just another nobody.
Jones did not want to fight him either......

Legally when DM beat Rocky like a drum in the rematch, DM ended up with that belt that was stolen from Rocky by Jones.....Gee German fighers just didn't get any breaks...every time they won a Lt. Heavy Belt other than the WBO, they were stripped of it, illegally.

 

I dont think naming fighters that Jones beat, furthers your case any.

Jones beat all the best fighters that DM beat apart from Rocchigiani, did he not?

 

what's it with this technical business? you don't think RJJ was well-schooled?atsch he could counter and potshot DM's ass outta the ring.

 

Jones did not have sound boxing fundamentals. He relied on reflex. His jab was nothing to write home about.
If you do not have fundemntals when you get old, it's too late to learn them.

 

Girrad,and Tissio, he of course never fought...but they were good in his day, better than many he cherry picked.


But lets let it all hang out....Jones never unified in any weight and never ever tried. he Dodged DM for over 7 years.

Beating Ruiz is not a big deal.
He dodged his manditory in Tua...claiming a draw disqualified him.
Sanders signed a contract with Jones that Jones never signed back, and he dodged Vitili his manditory after Tua.


Any time there was a big fight coming up Jones would try to steal it's thunder by announcing he was going to fight a live body....he never did. Talked **** about wanting to fight Douglas, Jerov..

Jones in my opinion, was a very good fighter, but never undisputed Champion in any weight class.
DM was Lt. Heavy Champ longer, and still was when ONLY the Americans claimed Jones was Undisputed Lt. Heavy Champ at Lt. Heavy..... In that DM was Lt. Heavy Champ before him and three belt champ before him....and had not lost his belts in the ring, but was unfairly stripped, of said belts that Jones ended up with....Jones certainly was never Undisputed Lt. Heavy Champ.
Jones was only and never more than Splinter Champ in Middle, Super Middle and Heavy.
Two of the belts he had the nerve to wear in Lt. Havy were stolen property and he never had the nerve to fight DM......ok, that is the bare truth.

Jones never tried to unify in any weight class...so he was not a real Champion, just a good money fighter.
Jones was a disputed splinter champ in every weight class and true champion of none.

 

Like yourself, I'm an oldster as well. Jones is going to have a ton of problems with the guy. First off is the workrate Jones would have to employ. No 40 punches per round and lots of breathers. 80 punches per round wouldn't keep this guy from backing him up. And Dariusz is the rare breed that gets stronger as the fight goes on and gets the late ko's. How many guys really do get the late ko's anyway? He's kind of like Galindez in the toughness department.

The other things for Jones to deal with are

1.that terrific Michalczewski jab. Kind of like Emille Griffiths and it had tremendous accuracy and was always thrown at the exact millisecond it should've been thrown. Not telegraphed and sort of like the 81 Hagler jab==a dart not telegraphed and straight from the shoulder. Jones doesn't jab and throws lots of wide right hand leads. The kind that tire guys out.

2. The accuracy of Michalczewski in there. That guy landed 50-60% of his punches. He just doesn't miss. I thought the accuracy of a guy like Tarver was something Jones didn't handle well & he's really not all that accurate of a guy. I think Michalczewski has the most accurate hands in the sport the last 20 years. And anyone with a concrete chin to go along with accuracy is going to make for a very tough opponent.

 

rjj easy ud....

 

Thank you Mr. Zadfrak....very clearly stated.
Like I said at first I thought it 3-2 Jones, later I changed my mind to 3-2 DM....but it's the samo samo....Jones is God, when Tyson is not in Shape.
There are a lot of Lt. Heavies who would at worst be even steven at least with Jones.
Tunney, Moore, Harold Johnson( who at his retirement was rated #3 best all time lt. Heavy. He kept getting better unil Moore let his title get split and stripped rather than fight him again.), Charles, Foster, Spinks and DM.
Bevins perhaps.....

No Jones was not God, he avoided too many names over the years...in Middle, in Super middle and in Lt. Heavy there is always going to be the shadow of DM hanging over him. Just like his refusal to fight Hopkins a second time hangs over Jones....
Odd how that is forgotten. Hopkins wanted it, and was the One and Only Middle Weight Champion of the World at that time....and Jones would not rematch.
After all when one thinks that Jones had a hard time with a green prision boxer who never had a real amature carreer much less never was Olympic Silver....So you can add Hopkins to Jones hall of shame.

 

Is there or has there ever been a Jones fan who is a Klitcho fan, either brother?

 

I think Roy and his people saw something in Michalczewski that they didn't like. Tough style matchup. I favor Roy but think this would've been a tough match for him. It probably would've went the distance and been close.

 

He didn't drop it, the WBA took it away from him so they could give it to Jones. The WBC did the same thing, only they actually got caught doing it because Graciano Rocchigiani sued them and won a $30 million judgment, nearly putting them out of business completely.

To the original question though, Jones would have beat Michalczewski pretty badly. Not necessarily a shutout, but he would have made him look silly at times. It's a shame they never actually fought, and in my mind it's the biggest black mark on Jones' record.