Who wins - Dariusz Michalczewski vs Roy Jones Jr ?

But worse than fighters he fought. I also said that DM beat, DM lost to Tizzo.

This is an illogical point.

DM and Jones never showed any intrest in fighting each other. Neither went to the others country.

Neither called out the other fighter

If I am wrong, please fashion me with some evidence otherwise.

Was DM constantly talking about his want to fight Jones for over 7 years?

Two fighters can not fight each other with it being nobodies fault.

Yawn.

It was a big deal. If you cannot see that a guy who started at 154lbs beating a guy consitantly ranked as one of the 10 best HW's in the world for the best part of a decade then I would say you are a lost cause on the front.

Having a go at Jones for not fighting HW's? A ridiculous position.

Fortunantly he beat up a guy who dispatched Jirov nicley.

His father did not allow the Douglas fight, look it up.

Very few fighters these days are, Calzaghe was not at SMW, Bute had a belt, Haye wasn't at CW Cunningham had the IBF, Pac wasn't at any weight, Wlad and Vitali have never been at HW.

Never had the nerve?

Where was DM's bottle? Somewhere in Germany I would imagin.

He never went out of his comfort zone, weight wise or country wise.

Never pushed for the Jones fight, its a blatent double standard.

These days belts mean little.

Jones beat all the best fighters at LHW bar one, who in turn showed no inclination to fight him

Nobody is an undisputed champion these days, due to the politics involved.

If you think its as black and white as you seem to, i recomend taking a look in the mirror and reconisgine your own bias, which is large, as shown by the massive amounts of double standards used to further your Jones vs DM agenda.

 

Jones was not the mandatory, get your lies straight.

Some guy I'd never heard off was. He had taken the WBA to court.
DM was to have had to fight him inside of six weeks of winning the belt...which is why DM dropped it. The crooked IBF* stripped him the next day for not dropping his WBO belt that got him the fight with Hill.

Six weeks after a tough fight, he's supposed to fight again for the Championship.....that don't give him any recovery time.


*The crooked IBF was started to get US fighter's recognized, and started @ the same time the WBO was started for the same reason, in they wanted to have European fighters recognized.
The IBF would have sank with out a trace, but Holm's jumped to it to continue his fighting prospects,,,instead of contenders.
IBF where the President went to jail for Taking King Bribes....King some how did not go to jail for giving them, to get his fighters higher rated.

 

The problem is that he was never even champ, much less undisputed. I guess he said he was for long enough that eventually people listened, but a lineage was very clearly established before Jones was even fighting at 175 when Hill beat Maske (or at worst, when DM beat Hill), and that lineage continues to this day.

 

All three of them were insanely corrupt during that period, which is part of how the WBO was able to rise to prominence at all. 1996, the WBO was still a fringe belt at best really.

I didn't say Jones was the mandatory though.

 

I never said that Jones was the "champ" Lineal or otherwise.

I said he beat the better fighters than DM, and that DM showed no real intrest in fighting Jones.

DM was also never undisputed LHW champion ever, which was BoBos critizisim of Jones.

 

That was a past prime DM. If Jones couldn't beat Johnson...you can always refer to a fighterr's worst night, but if we consider both coming at their best: Jones wins a competitive fight. DM would be one of the few fighters who could give Jones a fight. DM is underrated, he had a Lamon Brewster -level ability to take punishment and was a well rounded boxer - puncher.

 

I just apply the same standards to Jones, that his followers claim he had....and show them he dodged a hell of a lot of good men. There for was not the Best Fighter of his day...the best fighter fight everyone, and don't put in his HBO contract that DM's name could not ever be mentioned on an HBO telecast.

DM said he'd fight Jones for 50%, and in the States....or 50% in Germany.

Jones dodged DM...quite simple...

 

Anything is possible with that Glass Jaw that Jones has. Jones avoided anyone that could punch or had a pulse between 1998-2002.

 

Source, if you can give me one this would be significant

Source, but this one if he said it one time it would mean not a great deal.

 

With regards to the rest of the post, you are mainly repeating yourself, and making nearly exactly the same arguments as somebody in Joness corner would.

 

Nope could not be, in he was imorally stripped of two of his belts, and Jones would not fight him.

Tavar wanted too, until Jones developed Bad Blood after ignoring him all his life, and waved more money at him.
Like I said, Tavar was a man....the first thing as soon as he won his belt, he said was I want DM and DM said yes. Three days later Jones had blood poisioning.

Of course I have to repeat my self....Jones fans can not face facts...no matter how many times you tell them....

It's the one's who are not True Blue Jones is God, fans, that I'm trying to reach.
You know the Boxing fans who might have been too young to know what was what back in the day and swollow bull **** as truth.
To show there is definatly two sides to this question...Jones is God....no he wasn't....
You did notice...his come back is against no hopers, instead of having a Champion's heart and going after a belt...he was like Tyson, fighting no one, and not trying to be champion again....

When DM was KO'ed, he was trying to be Champion again...it was a Championship fight. I never said my man was god, or the absoulty best that there ever was.

I always said it would be a hard fight....I was told I am an ignorant fool. Well fool I may be, but Ignorant I am not. Styles make the Fight.

 

DM wouldnt fight Jones either. Its not hard.

Tarver would have fought Jones if he didnt lose to Harding in the eliminator. Hardly Jones ingnoring him eh?

They never fought. :huh

:huh

 

That was lost before one of the Crashes...there were dammed good posters, posting then who really knew thier stuff, and it was posted here on ESB with links. Must have been before the Crash of '04.


So sorry I did not copy it...I did not think I'd need that, in it was covered by much more knoledgeable posters than I could hope to be.
That was one or two computers ago,and one tends to delete the BS when buying a new one.

No of course Tavar and DM never fought...right after Tavar called out DM and DM said yes. Three days later Jones had bad blood. Tavar lost if you can remember that far back. Then Jones lost and so did DM.

 

His come back was for a belt against Johnson, the same thing happend as to DM. Jones just didnt retire.

The Tarver DM Jones thing is laughable. Think about it. Saying yes is far from agreeing the fight.

Don't post **** you cannot back up, you are normally very good with sources.

 

Dam I didn't know I needed to save the newspaper.....made the sports section over here.
I thought wonderful...great and so on.