Who wins - Dariusz Michalczewski vs Roy Jones Jr ?

Jones

 

RJJ late KO

 

I liked DM and this match was highly talked about when I just started watching. I think RJJ wins but DM would have given him serious trouble.

Blame on both men for not making it happen. Would have been both of their biggest fights.

 

He avoided some guy to fight some serious cupcakes. Glen Kelley? That one dude who was NYPD? I like RJJ but he took the harder fights when he was past his prime. Why didn't he fight Hopkins or Calzaghe in 2005-7 where he would have had a real shot at winning?

 

He didn't avoid anybody.

Glen Kelly and Rick Frazier (the NYPD guy) were both mandatories.

He wanted to fight Bernard in 2002, at a 168 C-W. HBO offered Bernard $6m, but he refused and demanded $10m. Despite running his mouth, when it came down to it he wasn't interested. He then spent a year out of the ring before coming back to fight Morrade Hakkar for around $1.3m.

Joe was relatively unknown until he beat Lacy in 2006. And he would never have fought Roy when Roy was anywhere near his best.

 

Jones has admitted he was a businessman before he was a fighter. He wanted (and did) to handpick his opposition. He wasn't up to prove he was the best and his legacy has taken a huge hit for it. He was exposed as a Glass Jawed reluctant fighter who he and his fans can only come on message forums and say he "would have" beat someone because he didn't have the courage to take the fights. This is the same guy who couldn't even take a punch from Lou Del Valle yet he beats everyone in history? Sorry if I am a bit skeptical.

 

I meant to say 2002-5. I remember the heated over the air interview after the Kelly fight. I was certain they'd fight and then that didn't happen.

 

I take nothing away from RJJ, he's great. He did leave some fights on the table and that's not up for debate with me.

 

He didn't handpick his opposition.

Anybody who thinks that he'd have definitely have beaten anyone in history, is ignorant.

I've proven to you time and again that a number of guys didn't want to fight him, and he pursued better fights.


You are completely ignorant on this subject, and your sole objective is to hate.


You are truly a terrible poster.

 

There was only one reason for the fight not happening.

Bernard ran his mouth at every given opportunity in the media. But away from the lights, he turned down $6m, and demanded $10m.

Then 6 years later in a 2008 press conference with Joe Calzaghe, he admitted that he could have moved up to LHW in 2002 had he have really wanted to. But he didn't, because he didn't want to give up his advantages. So: He could have moved up to 175 in 2002, but he wouldn't meet Roy at 168. Again, he then spent a year out of the ring, before coming back and fighting Morrade Hakkar for $1.3m.

Like Joe Calzaghe, when it came to fighting Roy, Bernard was a scavenger. After Joe had beaten Roy, Bernard issued a statement saying that he never wanted to fight Roy again, as he was no longer Superman. He said that he clearly wasn't the same fighter he'd once been, therefore a rematch would be pointless. But fast forward to 2010 with Roy coming off of a round defeat to Danny Green, and Bernard was signing a contract to meet him, which was against the wishes of his trainer Nazeem Richardson. That's who Bernard Hopkins is. And it was the same with Joe. He wrote in his autobiography that Roy had been shot (his words) since 2004, yet he then phoned him up personally to make a fight at the end of 2008. Scavengers, feasting on the remains of something once great.

Roy pursued big fights all throughout his career.

 

How can it not be up for debate?

What fights were left on the table?

 

DM would trouble Roy with that jab which was fast and accurate.
Roy tkos him inside 10 rounds.

 

I remember when Reggie Johnson fought Jones. Johnson was an excellent fighter and ROY beat the hell out of him. TOYED with him.
Then he blew Virgil Hill out inside 5 rounds.
All this talk about JC fighting Jones is bull.
JC would have never beaten a prime Jones.
NEVER.

 

He never went to 190, CW weight at the time. Could have easily picked up a belt there. Easily!

Still didn't fight DM, Hopkins, Calzaghe, Eubank, Benn, Collins.

Could have stayed at HW and picked some smaller heavies to defend that belt, chose not to which was STUPID on his part. Never understood that for the life of me.

He left fights on the table in his prime.

 

Those aren't examples of fights that were left on the table.

Hardly any of those fights were viable.


Again, Bernard would not fight him.

Again, Joe was relatively unknown until 2006, as he was content to repeatedly defend a lightly regarded belt against mainly B and C class opposition in the division below. He showed no desire to fight in the U.S. or at LHW. He simply wasn't interested. Look who he was fighting back then. Look at the comments he made. He said he wasn't chasing Roy because he didn't want tough fights, and then he said that if he was to fight him, he'd need to be paid the "Crown Jewels" due to the amount of risk involved. So even if he had've genuinely wanted to have fought him (which he clearly didn't) then who would have paid him huge money? Back then he was fighting guys like Mario Veit for around £700,000.

Eubank is on record saying that he didn't chase down the big named U.S. fighters, as he was just content to defend his WBO belt. He said fighting Roy would have been career suicide, but he would have fought him had he have been made his WBO mandatory. But it could never have happened, because guys like Roy weren't even listed anywhere in the WBO's rankings.

Unlike the above fighters, Nigel Benn did genuinely want to fight Roy. But Roy's handlers could never reach a compromise with Don King, who always wanted options on Roy.

Like Benn, Collins also genuinely wanted to fight Roy. But Roy went with what he thought were better options at the time. Out of all the guys you've mentioned, that was the only fight that was viable had Roy wanted it.

Dariusz wouldn't go to the U.S. to fight Roy, and Roy wouldn't go to Germany. Both guys have huge egos and neither one of them were willing to make concessions. But Roy was scarred from the Olympics, Germany was notorious for bad decisions, and Dariusz had pathetically feigned injury in order to get Gracianio Rochigianni disqualified in their first fight.

He never went to CW back then, because a Jirov fight didn't pay much more than a mandatory, and he had no real desire to fight Toney again after he'd easily beaten him in 1994. Winning a version of the HW title was much more appealing to him, and it paid him 3 X more. But as a fan, I'd much rather have seen a Toney rematch over a Ruiz fight. Although looking from Roy's perspective, I could see why a Ruiz fight meant more to him.

After he fought Ruiz, he was open to fighting Evander, but King and Roy's advisors got too greedy, and King refused to pay Evander money which was owed to him from a previous fight. Which is why Evander went on to fight Toney instead.


As a fan, I would have loved to have seen Roy fight the above guys. But you cannot criticise him for them not happening, especially fights against Bernard, Eubank and Joe, when they clearly didn't want to fight him and were in no position to do so. It's they who should be criticised for the fights not having taken place, not Roy.