Who wins: David Tua Vs Buddy Baer

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  1. ray fritz

    ray fritz Member Full Member

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    Galento is in Outstanding Fighters Who Have Retired From The RING SECTION OF RING RECORD BOOK wheres Tua
     
  2. BCS8

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    If you like guys dropping like they've been shot:

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    Then we need more David Tua ;)
     
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  4. ray fritz

    ray fritz Member Full Member

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    TONY is far underated no not the other way, every body entitled to their view
     
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  5. CANNONBALL

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    Tua slaughters BB, who was far too slow
     
  6. Unforgiven

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    Tony Galento had wins over Lou Nova, Otis Thomas, Leroy Haynes, Al Ettore, Lorenzo Pack, etc.
    None of them were greats but many of his opponents had fine professional and amateur backgrounds, decent skills and some had great physiques, so it makes no sense to rate Galento based on his low skill and his portly physique.
    He was a pure brawler and defeated boxers who were bettter pure boxers than himself by imposing his savagery on them.
    It's easy for armchair amateurs to look at him from the outside and say what he's doing wrong and how the opponents should easily beat him. You can be sure it's different for the actual men who get in the ring with a fighter like that.
     
  7. Unforgiven

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    I really haven't seen enough of Buddy Baer to judge whether he could outbox David Tua, which I think a lot of slightly above average heavyweights could probably do. The fights I've seen of his are the Louis fights and an early fight against an opponent called Stanton.

    Buddy might not have been good enough to escape being KO'd by Tua ... or he might. There's really not much evidence either way.
    Tua is a difficult boxer to predict some of these fantasy fights because he has the power to KO just about anyone but his short and plodding enough to possibly be outboxed by many non-great heavyweights who hold the size advantages and maintain a boxing strategy.

    At a push, I'll say Tua by KO, since, as already mentioned, Buddy Baer was stopped by Gunnar Barland as well as Louis, and Barland wasn't generally regarded as a danger man like Tua was.
     
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    This should actually be the proper reply to this thread.
     
  9. janitor

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    It is probably fair to say that Baer has a significant stylistic, and physical advantage here.

    In terms of power you could say that they are even for the sake of argument.

    Tua's main card is that he take s punch better.

    Put all that together, and a number of outcomes are plausible.
     
  10. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What's Tua's record against 6ft 5"+ fighters?

    Not saying Baer beats him but it bares (no pun) consideration in this match up.
     
  11. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Doesn't believe the hype booted Full Member

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    I don't think it's fair at all to say that Baer has a significant stylistic advantage.

    Why would we say that their power is even?
     
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    What's Baer's track record against Samoan power punchers? ;)
     
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  13. janitor

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    Tua is a swarmer, and Baer is a boxer puncher.

    Tua is 5' 10'' with a 70'' reach.

    Baer is 6' 6'' with an 84'' reach.

    I will leave you to figure out how that could translate into a stylistic advantage for Tua!
    They are both guys with an impressive run of knockouts, who generally failed to deliver them against the best of their era.

    Why would I think that their power was very different?
     
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  14. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Doesn't believe the hype booted Full Member

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    Ahh, the old rock-paper-scissors mode of assessing fighters' styles. I don't put much stock in that approach in general, and "boxer puncher" is so broad a descriptor that it's pretty much useless.

    The stylistic advantage for Tua seems pretty straightforward. From what I've seen, it seems Baer liked to come forward and slug it out at fairly close ange, nullifying his height and reach advantages in the process. He was there to be hit and Tua threw harder, faster punches.

    Tua's extraordinary power is obvious via the eyeball test, and he knocked out several former and future champions and contenders. Blew a couple of them out within mere seconds. I would need to see and read a lot more than a gaudy ko% against mostly undersized and unimpressive foes before I assume Baer had similar punching power.
     
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  15. young griffo

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    Touché;)
     
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