Who wins? Joe Calzaghe vs Andre Ward

Yes you are, you lying gobshyte.

And everybody else does too.

 

u still replying? I shall take you off ignore now and again so as to be corteous because thats how I am but it is wierd beyond belief that you are trying to reply to someone who has you on ignore.

some people.

 

Voted Joe for a narrow win.

 

well you must be European (probably british) at least since you've started getting emotionally testy in this last post, which is a sure sign that objectivity is not your friend...

there's no point debating you on the ward win over kovalev, since you've decided to refute it point blank

nobody is doubting Calzaghe's achievements at SMW, he was undoubtedly the king of the division, but like I said in my previous post - Calzaghe had zero US exposure and so remained a high risk - low reward fighter

ottke, michaelewski, benn, eubank, sturm, Calzaghe - all European fighters who never made their name in the US during the Hopkins and jones heyday and so none of them fought them in their prime. surely you can see how "some horse$hit about needing to earn his shot at Hopkins" is totally relevant, as evidenced by my list above.

you can say "Bernard ducked him. FACT" all day long if you like, but they are hollow words, and it's always the fighter (and his fans) who hasn't put in the work to make his name on the world stage who claims he was 'ducked'

this will probably be my last post replying to you, since you've shown in your last response that my view is starting to **** you off, and your objectivity is suffering as a result
good luck overcoming your challenges in life

 

froch was a small fish with no international exposure when Calzaghe was his mandatory
froch didn't 'arrive' until the taylor win and, later, the super six

just like Hopkins was a bigger fish and Calzaghe had zero international exposure in 2002

like I replied in a recent post, it's always the 'smaller fish' who claims he was ducked...neither is true in both these cases

 

Calzaghe wins an ugly, foul filled decision.

 

Zaggers easy, just to much man for Ward

 

Calzaghe, what a fighter.

 

yes BUT Froch was joes mando at tetme, adjoe ditcedthe titlebefore tha mando occured, s its ducking without adoubt.

 

joe wasnt king of smw i 2002. he was completely non-prominent, barely featuring in national newspapers because ofhis unrecognised title. He was teleas signficant SMW until hebeat Lacy.

 

Calzaghe would win UD... His work rate speed and angles would drive Ward crazy ... Ward is not busy enough and stylistically it's a bad match up for him... plus Calzaghe had an iron chin

 

Well, this opening, in addition to being wrong (I couldn't be further from British !) is completely irrelevant to the points under discussion.

So now, not agreeing with your poorly made points is somehow non-objective ?

The points I made are is valid whether I am Black, White, Chinese or Mexican. Even Aussie !
Your strategy here seems to be ...when your points let you down, attack the man.

I have not refuted it point blank, as you say. I accept that Ward got the 'W' in that fight. However, the overwhelming majority of boxing experts and casual fans (75 %) scored the fight for Kovalev. That is irrefutable.

Thus, you cannot count this fight with the same weight as Calzaghe's wins over Eubank, Lacey, and Kessler, fights where there was a clear winner.

IF Ward had a clear win over Kov, it might have been a better win than any of the three I named (IMO, it probably would have), but very disputed wins do NOT trump clear victories when those victories are over fighters of approximately the same level as Kovalev.

Does Bradley's win over Pacquaio trump Spence's recent win over Brooks ?

Of course it doesn't because not too many people believe Bradley ever beat Pac.

If you can't grasp that fairly straightforward point, I can't help you.

The notion that Calzaghe needed to earn a shot at Hopkins in 2002 is horses!t. Not even Hopkins thought this to be the case.

He entered into negotiations for a fight with Calzaghe TO BE FOUGHT IN THE US. Terms were agreed upon.

The very next day, he demanded a doubling of his purse fro $3M to $6M. Bernard, great as he was, had trouble attracting flies to shyte. There just wasn't six million available in the fight, even if he'd gotten a 100-0 split.

So what more was Calzaghe to do ?

He'd agreed to take the small purse and fight in the US with US judges and a US ref, and BHop scuttled the fight.

That's why your point was horsesh!t.


Not only was it horsesh!t, it ran counter to the rest of your argument.

On the one hand, you claim that Calzaghe never faced the likes of Hopkins in 2002. On the other hand, when you receive irrefutable proof that he DID try to make the fight, you come back with the 'horsesh!t' that Calzaghe needed to earn his shot.

That's trying to have it both ways.

It should be obvious from the foregoing that Bernard did indeed duck Calzaghe in 2002. That's not even remotely debatable.

Terms were verbally agreed to and he then doubled his demands.


Now I'm not saying Bernard ducked Calzaghe because he was scared of him. (That's almost never the case with boxers at that level).

I'm not even saying he ducked him because he was scared of taking a loss. (That's the usual reason for a duck at that level).


IMO, Bernard ducked him because he was GREEDY, was a very poor business man, and figured he could wring more $$$ out of the event.

At that point, Bernard felt that, given his status and his resume, he should be a lot further ahead, money wise.

And he probably should have been, but he was a poor businessman and didn't trust promoters and never had gotten a big purse, not even for his (at that time) recent win over Tito.

So he scuttled the Calzaghe fight, plain and simple, despite having all his initial demands met. FACT.

Oh well, I suppose I might as well just end my membership right now if you're not going to respond to me any more. Is there any point in continuing to post ?

Or even live ?

My objectivity consists of making points and supporting them with evidence. Yours appears to be simply opinion. Ill-informed opinion at that.

A lack of familiarity with the facts and an inability to draw logical conclusions from said facts.

That's mighty nice of you, such a heartfelt sentiment.

We all have our challenges, and I'll just have to keep persevering to overcome mine.

 

dont be a dumb fcuk all your life, of course beating kovalev is better than eubank and co.

jeez dont be dumb **** all your life.

and you are european dont ****ing lie point blank to the man. Jeez u cant be trusted with simple stuff.

Man I thought I'd gveu a chance t redeem yrsef bt afer that set of lies y are ging staight back t igoe.

 

Calzaghe mutilates Ward. He's just a superior fighter in every aspect. Speed, Endurance, Ring IQ, Footwork... name it.

 

Of course I'm European, herol, you overly excitable rascal !

The man's error was in taking me for British.

Which I assuredly am not !



BTW, You going Schizo, herol?

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Make up your mind, lad.

I thought you told me I was on ignore?

That cut me to the bone, that did.

My therapist says (I had to get a therapist when I learned I was on your ignore list) that I should look for other ways to find fulfillment, and not spend so much time trying to improve Herol Gee's boxing knowledge.

He has a read over your recent posts and thinks YOU might be more in need of a therapist than me.


This one points to a bit of a drinking problem...

And this one too...

I told Sigmund (that's the therapist's name) that you don't drink.

That surprised him, and he asked me how I knew that.

"Well," sez I, "He told me as much."

"But maybe herol is lying to you," he sez.


Now there's a shocking thought, herol.

I hadn't thought of that before.

Could you be lying ?


Anyway, I told him a bit about your troubles with Missus Gee and the Welsh Dragon and all.

He was quite sympathetic to your plight.

He wanted details which I was unable to provide. I think he's just angling for another client.

He said he could cure you with enough sessions. I think he mentioned Gestalt therapy.

You have the Nationo' 'elf there where you live, herol, don't you ?
It might all be covered.

Maybe it would be worth your while to lie on a couch and spill yer guts to Siggy, tell him all about Missus Gee's wild carnal depravities with your great Welsh pugilist ?

It might change your whole life.

Anyway, I have to run, now herol.

Nice speaking to you again.


If I'm off ignore, I probably won't need to see Siggy any more !


Till next time.