Who wins my fantasy heavyweight super series?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Dodgy Syrup, Jul 2, 2021.

Who wins through to be crowned champion?

  1. Ali

    34 vote(s)
    23.6%
  2. Foreman

    7 vote(s)
    4.9%
  3. Frazier

    1 vote(s)
    0.7%
  4. Tyson

    9 vote(s)
    6.3%
  5. Lewis

    59 vote(s)
    41.0%
  6. Holyfield

    6 vote(s)
    4.2%
  7. Klitchko

    10 vote(s)
    6.9%
  8. Fury

    18 vote(s)
    12.5%
  1. SmackDaBum

    SmackDaBum TKO7 Full Member

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    I actually went thru his record and from his so called 'peak years' 66-67 his average Weight were only 208.75 lbs...

    How much do a modern cruiser weigh in on fight night?
     
  2. SmackDaBum

    SmackDaBum TKO7 Full Member

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    Listons reach claim are debunked.
     
  3. Finkel

    Finkel Active Member Full Member

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    I similarly pegged Ali at 210lb in the 60s and 220lb in the 70s

    I'm curious what Usyk will weigh in at against Joshua in September. He was 217lb against Chisora.

    So I'm guessing Usyk at cruiser wasn't over 210 on fight night, considering he only came in at 215lb against Witherspoon at heavy. Can also guess it was under this given he injuryed himself reportedly trying to put on mass.
     
  4. gdm

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    I think that’s how much cruisers weight on fight night about 205-215lb. I think so ,but I am not sure
     
  5. Dodgy Syrup

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    He's become an old stoner.
     
  6. Surrix

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    I'm not sure. Usually cruisers walking around with routine daily training regimen at 220 lbs and more are attempting to compete at HW.

    CW: some boxers are 193 lbs, some 209 lbs at figh night something like this usually.
    Ofc I agree that they might be 215 lbs at fight night too, some from them.
    CW usually dose not do so deep water cut as lower division because plenty of reasons. HW pays more, CW still hits hard and are with low fat % usually, to bear beating from someone who is 193-210 + lbs with usually very low fat % in the ring during 10 , 12 rounds is not easy.
    With high and too deep water cut is not easy to bear beating during long fight. Ofc they rehydrate after weight ins I think still this is not the same like someone did not had any water cut at all. Like HW.
    This I think is reason why while ppl post: HW is most dangerous division, number of fatalities is higher in lower weight divisions not HW.
    HW does not do any water cut.
    For example the same Perez had been 235 lbs? at HW for some fight and when he trimmed down to CW, he looked like a body builder with low fat.
     
  7. Dodgy Syrup

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    The whole point of weight classes are largely meaningless because of the amount of time that passes between the official weigh in and the fight itself.

    You fight for a middleweight world title, you can weigh 160 at the official weigh in, and then go off and do whatever they do, and step into the right 10-15 pounds over the 160 pound limit.

    You end up with actual middleweights cutting weight to make a welterweight limit and then bulking up overnight and fighting closer to 160 than 147.

    It seems like fighters are all in the weight class below their actual legitimate, healthy fighting weight.
     
  8. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well, the ammount of weigh cut looks that is lesser at CW cos HW pays more and CW lads still beat very hard.

    If 135 lbs division boxer had posted that he is 154 lbs on daily basis etc. '

    Salido looks that was 147 lbs in the ring vs Loma at 126 lbs and this is higher difference than CW division does have.

    The walking around weight, weight in camp and so on ofc depends also from fat % = if you train very hard and a lot, like in pre fight camps with all this fitness, S/C and sparrings, running, swimming, weigh reduces.
    Water cut is last thing in weight reducing process.

    CW boxer's water cut I had experienced, highest was approx 6.6 lbs on water.
    It was like approx 206 lbs in the ring. Ofc if the boxer didn't had followed diet plan and didn't had cared about fat % so much, then his weight in the ring most likely was 210-218 lbs in the ring/ for weight ins.
    Some lads at CW are 193-194 lbs in weight ins and in the ring approx the same.
    190 lbs lads and smaller are too small for modern CW boxer.
     
  9. Dodgy Syrup

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    I agree, not every fighter is going through the extremes of cutting then bulking up.

    The problem is those that do - and in doing so those that are gaining a distinct advantage by being considerably heavier are not only cheating (at least in my opinion) but could actually be putting their opponent at risk.
     
  10. john roberts

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    This is a picture of Ali weighing 218lbs aged just 22 years old
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    this pic taken same day not an ounce of fat on him
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    I think Ali could weigh in the 220s even at that young age if need be, Ali trained down to those weights in the sixties, I mean when Ali fought buster mathis aged just 29 years he weighed 229lbs
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    he wasn’t that fat at all really, it’s worth remembering that Ali only weighed 7lbs less than Joshua did against Ruiz weighing 236lb in the second fight , cruiser weight don’t make me laugh.
     
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  11. Surrix

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    To weight more than in weight ins in the ring is allowed and legal.
    Fighters usually does cut weight.

    Another level of advantage is short notice for opponent and if you fight vs this as A side boxer in hometown, cool stuff.
     
  12. Dodgy Syrup

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    Allowed and legal sometimes, and who checks the exact weights of the fighters before they get in the ring?

    The reality is nobody does.
     
  13. Surrix

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    sometimes does.

    Actually why not?
    If it is allowed and legal to fight even vs last days replacement fighters. no one cares.
    Imagine what kind of advantage you might get if you know that you will fight month and longer before fight and get someone on short notice in the ring?
    It is allowed and legal.
     
  14. Dodgy Syrup

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    No one cares, because the assumption is they can all take advantage.

    But, what if one guy doesn't need to and is now facing a guy 10-15 pounds heavier?
     
  15. Surrix

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    Well, I think better is to calculate in % from weight not in lbs.
    Imagine if some these former or current CW boxers had been 209-214 lbs in their fights without limit at HW and even the same Haye at HW was 217 lbs? vs Valuev? Okey, old and surprisingly slow with joints problems giant.
    Even the same lesser than 230 lbs Pov vs 252 lbs White or approx 209 lbs Huck vs approx 224-228 lbs Pov?
    Imagine how high might be difference in body weight % if some147 lbs division boxers sometimes claim that they are walking around at 170 lbs plus.

    Okey, amateur ranks, there you can't cherry pick an opponent and should fight vs guys in row during small time frame ( short time tournament format ).
    Too not always it does looks fun. Imagine if someone will gave you to fight for free vs Povetkin's amateur version?
    There is difference between ams and pros, first is fight length and gloves, rules and scoring. Still even with this some percentage of ams hit very hard, some from these are more nasty than middle ranked pros in paid ranks.