Who wins my fantasy heavyweight super series?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Dodgy Syrup, Jul 2, 2021.


Who wins through to be crowned champion?

  1. Ali

    34 vote(s)
    23.6%

  2. Foreman

    7 vote(s)
    4.9%

  3. Frazier

    1 vote(s)
    0.7%

  4. Tyson

    9 vote(s)
    6.3%

  5. Lewis

    59 vote(s)
    41.0%

  6. Holyfield

    6 vote(s)
    4.2%

  7. Klitchko

    10 vote(s)
    6.9%

  8. Fury

    18 vote(s)
    12.5%
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  1. Finkel

    Finkel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So you are arguing a puncher's chance. Yeah maybe. I think it far more likely that Fury stops Tyson than Tyson stops Fury though.

    You might be confused there: Berbick was Mike's second shortest ring rated opponent at 188cm...
    And yes, Lewis wasn't short, but I'm not sure how Mike getting pummelled by Lennox Lewis helps your case.

    It's not just about height though, the weight would be a big factor too. As I say, it is verging on unrealistic expectations of what Mike could actually do.


    edit: oh you added more to what you were saying. Well Bruno was scared of Tyson, and Bruno getting a world title was a Cinderella story ending for him. Golota was a very strange fight that ended in a NC - I don't think Golota was in the right head space for that fight given he was involved in a car crash that had taken his best friend's life.

    As for being able to hit Tyson - I suspect Fury would have been able to get in the sparing partners to replicate Tyson far more effectively than the other way around.

    Anyway, I assume this thread isn't meant to be about Mike Tyson versus Tyson Fury.

    For me, I would pick Lennox Lewis - he is a modern super heavy, and his record speaks for itself.
    Though I want to give recognition to Tyson Fury, and yet, until he faces Joshua it might be a bit too earlier to say he comes out on top of a hypothetical. But I suspect from the line-up you gave it would be Lewis or Fury.
     
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  2. Dodgy Syrup

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    Berbick was only 188?

    Still, if you watch the fight he looks ridiculously tall compared to Mike...and Mike destroyed him.

    I conceded Lewis isn't a great example, but I don't think Mike lost that fight because he was too short...do you?

    Which would be the only context in which it helps your argument.

    Plus, do we really know if Fury is that guy yet?

    To me, I still say he's not quite as good as everyone thinks.

    Everyone attacks Wilder's resume, but have you looked at Fury's last 10 fights?

    Take out Wilder, and 2015 Klitchko, and it is a parade of complete unknowns and gimme fights...oh, and Chisora, the perennial punch bag gatekeeper who everyone beats.

    In fact, for a guy who shouts about his greatness so much it absolutely stinks as a resume.

    I mean, Sefer Seferi?

    Tom Schwartz?

    It's embarrassing, and yet he is never called on it.

    Even Wilder's last 10 are better.

    So, yes, I do think Mike has a punchers chance.

    We've seen Fury can be got at, and he's been on his backside several times in his career.

    This, remember, is the Tyson Fury who went life and death will Otto Wallin.
     
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    To say Fury went life and death with Wallin is a bit silly. Personally, I think the fight should have been stopped on cuts with Fury taking an L, but barring that, Fury comfortably won the fight.

    Chisora between his two losses to Fury managed to go 12 rounds with Vitali, so he wasn't that bad.

    But, yes, Fury has indeed fought some trash on his comeback, but Wilder's resume is hot garbage. Still, let's wait for July 24th.
    As I said above, I suspect the litmus test as to how Fury will be remembered will be largely based on the eventual Joshua fight.

    You might be thinking of Biggs rather than Berbick. If not that should tell you something about what Fury would look like in the ring next Mike, if you think Berbick made Mike look small.
     
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  4. Dodgy Syrup

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    Did you see the state of Fury at the end of the Wallin fight?

    Give me another fight where Fury looked as beaten up as he did in that one?

    He was a bloody mess, and had to scrape the win on points.

    You say it's "silly" to suggest that he went life and death with Wallin, then say straight after Fury should have lost.

    If it was because of cuts is irrelevant.

    Has any other fighter bashed Fury up to that degree, whether through fair means or dirty tactics?

    I felt Wallin was very unlucky that night...very unlucky.

    Now, either Wallin is actually a potential great himself, or Fury isn't quite the dominant legend he is being made out to be by some people.

    P.S I did mean Berbick, I think.

    The guy who wore the ridiculous knee high black socks against Tyson?

    The example of Haye v Valuev was used already to show how a much, MUCH, smaller man can overcome the height difference...and the difference between Haye and Valuev was larger than any difference there would be between Mike Tyson and Fury.
     
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  5. SmackDaBum

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    Yes I do. He would knock him out. Too big, fast and powerful for Ali to get away with it.
     
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  6. Finkel

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    You and I have a very different definition of going life and death. Me thinking Fury should have lost on cuts, has no relation to the scores and the relative performances in the ring.

    Haye barely overcame the height difference against an immobile and completely shot Valuev. One judge even had it a draw. As I said the height difference would be even bigger.
    And whilst you might consider Tyson to be levels above Haye, then compare that Valuev and Fury.

    Okay, that's fine. So Tyson looked great against Berbick. What is the case for Mike against 6'7"~9" Fury?

    For me, Mike whilst phenomenal would be severely lacking height, reach, weight, and wouldn't have the fear factor.

    I think the Mitch Green fight is a good idea as to one way Fury could approach this. Then consider the difference in size, weight and levels between Green and Fury.

    Actually it's the other way around. It was a short post you might have missed it:

    Haye = 191cm
    Valuev = 213cm (though I have seen websites pegging him as 215cm)
    difference = 22cm (possibly 24cm)

    Tyson = 178cm
    Fury = lets say 202cm (he is listed as 206cm)
    difference = 24cm (possibly 28cm)
     
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  7. Surrix

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    Vitali then was 40 y.o and almost like one handed.
    Bearing in mind his last fights vs Parker and Usyk where he went all distance, he really is not that bad.
     
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  8. Dodgy Syrup

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    2cm?...at best, if we can trust Fury's numbers.

    Agreed, it's more...but not by much.

    Out of interest, I wonder if their reach is equally unbalanced, you know Haye and Tyson compared to Valuev and Fury?

    As for the score cards - they don't do it justice regarding Fury and Wallin, in my opinion.

    Fury should have been stopped in that fight by the ringside doctor.

    The only reason he wasn't is because of the ramifications of a Wallin victory - be it upending the established order, and the gravy train that went with Fury, and the hype, and his unbeaten record.

    If Wallin had been the one cut and smothered in blood there's absolutely no question the fight would have been stopped.

    Being honest, name another fight you've seen where Fury look as bloody and battered as he did in that one.

    I am not just judging Fury on one fight, as I've watched him on t.v for years, from his earliest televised fights on obscure British channels up to his PPV shows nowadays, and I've never completely gotten over my feeling that his hype is a little overblown...just a little.

    That a combination of luck, below average resume filler, and his memorable antics, have blown him up into something extra special...and I feel that his string of low quality opponents and occasional bits of good fortune (like being allowed to continue against Wallin) flatter what is otherwise a pretty average record for such a supposed ATG.

    There's no way a man who claims to be the best there is, and who was/and is a lineal and WBC accredited champion, should have so many unknown bums padding his record over the last 5 or 6 years.

    AJ, for all his detractors, at least has taken on all of those in and around the top 10.

    Ruiz, Povetkin, Pulev, Parker, Whyte, Klitchko, soon Usyk - these are his peers, men rated in and around that upper tier who at least have some respect from boxing fans and those in the division.

    Can we say the same about Fury's last 10 opponents?

    Even Wilder has fought more established contenders in the last few years...I mean, Wilder picked Fury, remember, not the other way around.
    (albeit what he assumed was a washed up, bloated Fury).
     
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    You'll be chased out of the proverbial forum village by pitchfork wielding maniacs at this rate...keep it up and they'll tie you to the stake.
     
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  10. Spongebob south paw pants

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    Yh that early mike was an animal and amazing to watch. But know one lasted long enough to make
    Ali was a proper fighter and had amazing ability at the rope a dope and could generally out last opponents and was clever and hard to find. Because he was so accurate and awkward made him what he was, wouldn't say best chin ever in boxing that's a stretch. But yeah legend no argument there.
     
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  11. Nopporn

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    Ali would beat them all.
     
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  12. gdm

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    It’s either lewis, or wlad. GTFO with tyson ,ali , holy or frazier .
     
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    With one hand with your eyes closed
     
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  14. gdm

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    Well fury couldn’t beat wallin and he needed two fights to stop the joke like wilder. Nah he would lose to all taller fighters . Prime wlad would beat him with ease
     
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    Not much of a antiquarian in American history but a very good topic generator for HW thread debates. Good man
     
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