Who Wins This Legendary Four Person Round Robin?

Povetkin is the best.

 

Tua would ruin Hayes life.

 

Sometimes styles make fights as you know, whilst Wladimir is a better fighter than Tua. He's mostly a very cautious fighter especially after he joined Steward, he's not the type of guy who's going to pressure Haye he's normally content with a boring decision. Tua will be putting on 12 rounds of pressure on Haye, with the added danger of knocking out Haye at anytime early to late. And whilst you rightly say Tua did go into the later rounds with those fighters above, he still stopped them all showing how dangerous Tua is at any point in a fight. I just can't see Haye's suspect stamina and chin lasting 12 rounds with Tua. At some point in the fight Tua will catch Haye and that's all she wrote, and whilst Haye does have athleticism i wouldn't say his boxing skills are of the elite level.

 

Tkin

 

Some of the boxers that Tua went the distance with in his 53 fights before he was 35: Krishna Wainwright, Lester Jackson, Everton Davis, Sean Hart, Jeff Wooden, Cisse Salif, Robert Hawkins. 11 of the boxers that Tua KO'd during this period were sub-215 lbs. All of the low-mid level journeymen I listed were KO'd in their careers, predominately by unknowns and 6/7 had been KO'd before they fought Tua. 3/7 (Wooden, Salif, Hawkins) lost close/controversial decisions to him.

Tua carried power late but it wasn't a Wilder situation where he was actually ahead on the cards against all of his non-Fury opponents after the 7th round; Tua was often either trailing or neck and neck in the 9th, 10th, 11th and 12th rounds. The likes of Izon, Rahman, Oquendo and Maskaev were not elite pointfighters with great chins themselves. Byrd was slick but didn't posses Haye's range, footspeed, movement or power, which would have caused Tua even more problems. Haye would prepare to run a marathon while doing just enough to nick 7 rounds and although Wlad wasn't letting his hands go he was constantly putting pressure on Haye, which a 5'9, 69 inch reach, slow footed Tua would not be able to do.

 

As i've said to you before about context, some of these fights you're listing are 6 rounders, 8 rounders, 10 rounders, early in Tua's career. I could easily comeback and say what about Haye being stopped by 40 year old Carl Thompson, or being floored and almost stopped by Super Middleweight Lolenga Mock early in his career. To further my argument on Haye's suspect chin and stamina against a puncher like Tua.

Well i would argue Tua couldn't pressure Haye because of his height, when Mormeck and Fragomeni who were both under 6 feet. Managed to give Haye plenty of trouble and push him to the brink with their pressure.

And whilst Tua may of been behind in them fights you mentioned, the fact is it shows he carries very dangerous power late in a fight, and to assume Haye with his suspect stamina and chin. Would be able to survive and not get hit in 12 rounds with Tua is a big ask in my opinion.

 

I don't know about Fragomeni but Mormeck is considerably less stubby than Tua, who was billed as having a 69 inch reach in some broadcasts. They were also natural 190 pounders with faster feet and Haye was far more happy to mix it up with them than he would be against a bigger puncher, as we saw against Wlad.

"Would be able to survive and not get hit in 12 rounds with Tua is a big ask in my opinion."

Tua apparently hit Rahman 130 times in the rematch he got a gift decision over 12, he hit Rahman 179 times over 10 before a controversial stoppage in the first fight, he hit Izon 326 times before the 12th round stoppage and he hit Byrd 154 times over 12.

This idea that Tua would just need to "hit" Haye and he'd win instantly is more the stuff of Tua highlight compilations than reality.

Tua would have to contend with the fact that the agile Haye had a 9 inch reach advantage and very fast feet (faster than anyone he'd ever fought) to his own slow feet, along with Haye's big power that would keep him honest. Haye would have inhibition in training for a marathon and stinking the joint out to nick 7 rounds and survive.

 

The Tuaminator stops them all.

 

Povetkin.

 

If this was a trash talking competition the yes I'd pick Haye as well

 

They were short pressure fighters who gave Haye hell so of course that's relevant, Tua also hits alot harder than both of them. Haye showed signs of being uncomfortable not being allowed to fight at his pace, again the point i alluded to early with Haye's suspect stamina which was also on display vs Carl Thompson.

You keep bringing up the Wladimir fight like that's a feather in the cap for Haye, all Haye did was fight a non effort making no effort to win, and just fought to survive. It was a widely criticized performance by boxing experts and fans alike, that's not adding to Haye's credentials. You might aswell give Bonecrusher Smith for his performance surviving 12 rounds vs Mike Tyson.

If Tua hits Haye with his trademark left hook Haye is gone no if or buts.

Your making out like Haye is some type of master boxer, who did Haye ever outbox at Heavyweight ? the circus freak Valuev ? as Haye called him. Tua often fought with disadvantages in his career obviously, because of his smaller attributes for a Heavyweight. Your bringing up fights vs Maskaev, Izon, but Tua still knocked them out brutally, Tua has an iron chin and can fight at 12 round pace. With his power being dangerous at any point in the fight.

Haye had a suspect chin and stamina, and it's not like Haye is some type of defensive wizard, if Tua forces Haye to fight out of his comfort zone with his pressure. Haye's suspect stamina will come into play allowing Tua to land on him, and when that happens it's lights out for Haye. I don't think Haye can stay out of harms way for 12 rounds vs a prime David Tua.

 

"again the point i alluded to early with Haye's suspect stamina which was also on display vs Carl Thompson."

Silly argument because Haye wouldn't be letting his hands go, he'd be on his bike as he was against 6'5 master boxer freak athlete dynamite puncher Wlad and land a decent number of shots all things considered. Unlike Smith against Tyson, Haye was able to survive against Wlad with his speed, agility and movement. Tua was no Wlad: he's a midget with slow feet who Haye could land on and run from easily.

"If Tua hits Haye with his trademark left hook Haye is gone no if or buts."

Then why couldn't he get rid of the Izon's, Maskaev's and Rahman's (controversial stoppage, couldn't get rid of him 2nd time) without landing hundreds of punches first?

"the circus freak Valuev ?"

If Valuev (who showed significantly better pointfighting ability than Tua) is a circus freak then so is Tua: Guinness world record for stubbiest heavyweight of all time.

 

I'd take Tua over Povetkin in a shoot out and both of them over the two.

Povetkin is the best Fighter of the bunch IMO, but he matches up badly with This IMO.

 

No it's not a silly argument what's silly is that you don't think it's relevant somehow, you alluded to earlier that Tua's height would be a massive disadvantage for him against Haye. I gave you two example's of 2 fighters under 6 feet giving Haye problems with their pressure, Haye had to let his hands go more because he was forced out of his comfort zone.

And it's also silly that you keep bringing up the Wladimir fight in which "Haye didn't win" and also lost pretty much every single round. Like that's some type of feather in his cap fighting a non effort surviving vs Wladimir losing 12-0, and yet somehow you think that performance is relevant vs Tua ok then.

Mike Tyson also hit Jose Ribalta with everything but the kitchen sink, but took 10 rounds to finally finish him off. Ribalta was also stopped 9 times in his career, going by your logic then Tyson wouldn't be able to finish off Haye if he landed flush on him. If you don't think if Tua landed flush with his left hook, that he wouldn't have Haye in serious trouble then i'm at a lost for words.

If you want to hype up Valuev go ahead, the same Valuev who got a gift decision vs a 46 year old ancient Evander Holyfield prior to his fight with Haye.