Who wins?

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  1. Fancy Footwork

    Fancy Footwork Member Full Member

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    So, just a bit of fun, I got to thinking about the size of the fighters who have competed as heavyweights and the emergence of super heavyweights etc...and it got me thinking about some match ups that focused on the particular size (meaning, height, average weight, reach etc...) of certain fighters and how those match ups might play out - and I came out with these fights.
    All versions are their prime (taking into account youth plus experience, and the consensus around the absolute best version of each man)

    Joshua v Foreman

    Usyk v Marciano

    Frazier v Tyson

    Lewis v Fury


    I've tried to find a dance partner that is as reasonable an approximation as one can get to a mirror image of the other in terms of height, optimal weight, reach etc...

    My picks;

    Foreman (by k.o)

    Marciano (unsure how)

    Tyson (unsure how)

    Lewis (points)

    I'd be fascinated to hear the more knowledgeable among you give your reasons and discuss the relative merits of each man.

    (Perhaps, a kind of ATG boxing super series might even see an eventual winner among them all, and I think that could well end up as final involving Foreman and Lewis...what a match up that would be!!!!)
     
  2. deadACE

    deadACE Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Joshua: both underrated boxers but I would say Joshua is harder to hit out of the 2 and has better footwork. Foreman has better chin and probably hits slightly harder. Slight edge to Joshua but not overly confident.

    Usyk: Marciano hits like a truck with both hands, iron chin, crude boxer compared to Usyk, but managed to get the job everytime. We've never seen Usyk seriously hurt from a head shot, so if Marciano can't hurt Usyk then it's a Usyk win all day for me.

    Prime Tyson: if you're doing comparisons you have to judge them at their best. Frazier fought in the best era of HW and beat Ali so he was no joke. Prime Tyson is a tough nights work for any HW ever. Tyson KO.

    Lewis: yeah Lewis lost to Rahman and McCall and Fury probably beats both, but again I don't think Judging Lewis at his worst is fair and he did avenge those loses. Fury would have his moments. If he fights the same way he did Wlad, then its a hard for any HW just trying to pin him down. Think Lewis catches him at some point and stops him.

    Just my opinion. It's almost impossible to compare across era's. Just a bit of fun.
     
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  3. Fancy Footwork

    Fancy Footwork Member Full Member

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    I agree, pretty much, with your verdicts.

    I think it's important to reiterate that it's the absolute best version of each man, when they were at their peak, and each fight is intriguing for different reasons.

    I definitely feel like Marciano v Usyk would be a wonderful fight to watch, and can you imagine the toe to toe brawl we would see in a Frazier v Tyson contest?

    That's not going the distance...lol.
     
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  4. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I do not honestly think Usyk is much challenge for Marciano.

    Both of them rely on heavy output. One goes 15 the other does not. One hurts people consistently, the other hardly hurt anyone. Usyk may have belts in two divisions but Marciano was more dominant over both the HW and LHW of his era.

    I'm not the type to nitpick record but when **** is close you have to. Fact is Cockell's sort of like a Charr. Matthews is sort of like a Dubious. Usyk's just got the title, he hasn't cleared the deck. Rocky cleared house. It's unfair to Rock to assume Usyk has the goods to. He may age out of his greatness before he is able.

    h2h or resume to resume I don't see how Usyk can beat Marciano. Great fighter, but Rocky's a hell of an ask for him. I think he'd do better against Tyson, Bowe, Holy, and Lennox than Marciano, Moore, Charles, and Walcott.
     
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  5. Jennifer Love Hewitt

    Jennifer Love Hewitt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Joshua v Foreman - Foreman by knock out. I don't think Joshua is durable enough to handle the clubbering from Big George. Nor does he have the defense to keep George off him.

    Usyk v Marciano - Tough call. They are both undefeated. Both great stamina. Modern rules, 12 rounds. Usyk by points. I think his footwork and speed would win it.

    Frazier v Tyson - Tyson. Fast starter, more speed. He knocks Fraizer out before Fraizer can get it going. If Fraizer survived the first few rounds, I'd switch my pick, but I don't think he does.

    Lewis v Fury - Lewis all the way. Probably by TKO. Fury does not have enough power to hurt Lewis. He doesn't have the strength to bully Lewis. Lewis would maul him in clinches. Lewis has the power and skills to put Fury down, and if Fury gets up Lewis puts him right back down and the ref stops it. Fury's only hope is to try and win from the outside, but Lewis is terrific out fighter himself.
     
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  6. Fancy Footwork

    Fancy Footwork Member Full Member

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    Marciano, is my favourite fighter of all time - so I have a soft spot for him.

    Would he just walk through Usyk and break him or could Usyk simply outbox him to a decision?
     
  7. Fancy Footwork

    Fancy Footwork Member Full Member

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    Remember, we are talking about the absolute best version of each man.

    I agree, it's hard to see Fury hurting Lennox, but does he have enough at his absolute best to outbox him on the back foot and take it on points?
     
  8. peter_uk

    peter_uk Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'll preface my opinions by saying IDKSAB;

    i) Depends if we are talking about pre or post-comeback Foreman; either way I would back Foreman to knock Joshua out. If we are talking pre-comeback Foreman then I think the fight may resemble Foreman-Lyle; with Joshua landing and hurting Foreman, but ultimately being outmanned in a firefight.

    ii) As hypothetical matchups go this one is unfair on Marciano given the gap between their two respective eras; if Marciano fought today he would most likely be a LHW or cruiserweight. Given Usyk is the bigger man with impeccable stamina himself I think he would outbox Marciano to a decision.

    iii) I think Tyson in his prime had more wrinkles to his game than Frazier; I see Tyson taking the earlier rounds with Frazier coming on strong later on, but overall I would say Tyson by decision.

    iv) I would back Lennox here, by decision or KO. TBF Lennox wasn't used to fighting guys with greater dimensions such as Fury, so I think he would struggle in the early rounds, but eventually Lennox would do what Klitschko wasn't willing to and brave Fury's punches to land some himself. If I had to make a prediction, I would say Lennox by KO from a heavy shot on the inside.
     
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  10. Noel857

    Noel857 I Am Duran Full Member

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    Foreman by stoppage
    Usyk points
    Frazier by ko
    Lewis by ko
     
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  11. Fancy Footwork

    Fancy Footwork Member Full Member

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    I do get what you mean about Marciano and his size, I suppose it might have been more fitting to say the cruiserweight version of Usyk.

    With regards the version of Foreman Joshua would face, it would be absolute prime Foreman (whenever you consider that to be) as it would also be the absolute prime version of Joshua (again, whenever you feel that was).
     
  12. Fancy Footwork

    Fancy Footwork Member Full Member

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    Wow, Frazier beats Tyson by k.o?

    I like it.

    That would be some tear up...while it lasted.
     
  13. Fancy Footwork

    Fancy Footwork Member Full Member

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    Who, exactly, is this Rummy person you speak of?
     
  14. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Foreman vs Joshua = Foreman by stoppage.

    Usyk vs Marciano = Usyk by UD.

    Tyson vs Frazier = Tyson by early KO Frazier was a slow starter and that's the worst thing to be against Tyson.

    Lewis vs Fury = Lewis by stoppage somewhere in the 2nd half of the fight.
     
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  15. Mickc

    Mickc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Foreman by KO or quit,Joshua’s power looks good against lesser opponents but Foreman was a bonafide ATG wrecking ball.
    Usyk points over a hard and game but limited Marciano.
    Tyson by KO early doors,he’s a more powerful better version of Frazier.
    Lewis points,the general consensus on here might be Fury is an over rated fraud but most know on his night he is not an easy fight for anybody.
     
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