Who won: Jesus Alejandro Ramos Jr or Erickson Lubin?

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Who won: Ramos or Lubin?

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  1. Ramos

    30 vote(s)
    75.0%

  2. Lubin

    3 vote(s)
    7.5%

  3. draw is fair

    7 vote(s)
    17.5%
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  1. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Boxing aficionado Full Member

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    How did you score the fight between Ramos and Lubin?

    I was a bit disappointed in Ramos in rounds 9 and 10, but still he won the fight wide 117-111.

    https://boxrec.com/en/scoring/3027126 According to this, most people had it 116-112.

    Was it a robbery? I think it definitely was. Look at the punch stats!!!

    Judge Patricia Morse Jarman somehow had it 117-111 for Lubin in the controversial junior middleweight bout; judge John McKaie had it 116-112; and judge Chris Migliore had it 115-113.

    Jarman gave Lubin the last six rounds, and Migliore five of the last six, including the 11th, when Ramos outlanded Lubin 11/46 (23.9%) to 3/32 (9.4%).

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    There have been some bad scorecards today, in the Gassiev-Wallin fight and the Ramos-Lubin fight. But at least the right man won the Gassiev-Wallin fight.

    I was pleasantly surprised at the accurate Charlo-Canelo cards. I scored that one 119-108 for Canelo, giving the closest round to Charlo.
     
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    Perkin Warbeck, Sep 30, 2023
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  2. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Larceny
     
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  3. Floyd #1

    Floyd #1 Member Full Member

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    Lubin 120-108
     
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  4. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I had it 114-114, although I was a bit generous to Ramos in the last two rounds. The first half of the fight was far more competitive than the commentators misled people to believe. Lubin was out jabbing him and landing cleaner in many of them, and arguably shaded a few of those rounds. Then he swept the majority of the rounds in the second half. Anything from 116-112 Ramos to 116-112 Lubin is acceptable, it was just one of those kind of fights. Although 117-111 is a bit ridiculous.
     
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  5. TheShellofKell

    TheShellofKell Nakatani Future P4P #1 Full Member

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    The first 4 were close, the last 4 were clear Lubin and i think 2 of the middle were clear Ramos, i had it 7-5 to Ramos, but not a horrible robbery but for sure too wide.
     
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  6. Sandman_

    Sandman_ Undisputed Full Member

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    I could see a draw. Lubin took the first narrowly & may have edged the last 4 after young Ramos appeared to put the queue in the rack. I think I gave him one other between 2 and 8 for 114-114. The rounds Ramos won he did so more clearly & of course he pressed forwards throughout the first 8. Tough luck decision for Ramos but all it means is that both will get another crack at the top level instead of just Ramos.
     
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  7. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member Full Member

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    Ramos got robbed. 116-112 Jesus Ramos.
     
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  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I had him 8-0 up after 8, never seen anything like that really, I had it 8-4, weird night all round.

    Probably a clear robbery.
     
    McGrain, Oct 1, 2023
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  9. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    The fans were the real losers.
     
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  10. Fogger

    Fogger Father, grandfather and big sports fan. Full Member

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    I think Lubin could have been scored the winner if you gave every close round to him. However, the 117-111 score was absurd. I had Ramos 117-111 but if I viewed the fight with Lubin-colored glasses I could see a possible Lubin 115-113 victory.
     
    Fogger, Oct 1, 2023
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  11. Mastrangelo

    Mastrangelo Active Member Full Member

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    I had it 115:113 Lubin, but Ramos won the rounds He won more clearly, while Lubin edged - on my card - a lot of quiet rounds that I wouldn't argue with anyone scoring the other way. I also gave Lubin the last 4 and thought that Ramos took his foot off a gas, waiting a lot in the middle of the ring where Lubin was just a bit more consistant.
     
    Mastrangelo, Oct 1, 2023
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  12. sid

    sid Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I bet on a draw with bookies,sad to say I lost,close fight in my eyes.
     
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  13. SergioJ91

    SergioJ91 Active Member Full Member

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    Ramos looked like the more active fighter and was landing better…
     
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  14. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member Full Member

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    "He landed 53 ****ing more punches".
     
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  15. Hanz Cholo

    Hanz Cholo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Who cares?
    they both seriously sucked.
    My vote for draw for equally stinking up the joint… hope to never see either on another PPV again.
     
    Hanz Cholo, Oct 1, 2023
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