Who won Pacquiao vs Marquez?

and it's even more lopsided at the scene of boxing-hype of the fight-max of boxing and boxing saddo-

I mean, whoever had Pac winning should just admit they just don't know the sport in this era of the sport.

 

Much of what Pac landed was armpunches. He landed single ones and than got out again. JMM's heavy, somewhat slower, swings where easier to see, but many times they where hitting gloves and guard. All together, Pacs better reflexes and speed´bailed him out. And yeah, I needed slow mo to see it.

If people scored the fight for JMM by a wide margin, insist that Pac did not land, or that he was schooled thats their problem. I just dont believe it is true.

 

Of course its more one sided in other sites where there are less *******s.

This notion by them that somehow fans did'nt properly give credit to Pacquiao because he was expected to run over Marquez is ridiculous.
......if that were the case, how do you then explain that well over 90% of boxers and trainers scored for Marquez?


I would say the reverse. Because of most fans waiting in anticipation for a Mayweather-Pacquiao fight, I would say that if anything the fan would have tended to side to score the really close rounds to Pacquiao.

It turns out they could'nt do that because the fight was so tactically controlled by Marquez, there really were'nt that many rounds to point could have gone one way or the other.

You take the *******s out of the equation and most polls would show in the 90% range Marquez to be the winner.

 

Only *******s and you score fights by looking at faces

 

Trouble is one thing, losing is another.

Pac landed consistently in JMM's face. Thats the problem with the whole "JMM controlled the fight, the pace, showed the better defence"-saga. Jmm was tagged too much, and thats where the debate gets more tricky.

 

First off, you need to be banned by this forum if you think Marquez was slow on the night.
He's not as fast as Pacquiao, but surely he was not slow.

A slow handed fighter no matter how good technically is not going to connect with the types of punches Marquez did.
Marquez was catching Pacquiao with leads (not just counters) for Gods sake. A fighter does'nt do that if he's slow.


The fact you need slomo to see Pacquiao land is proof he did not land effectively.
The expression and body language of the fighter on the recieving end paints a true and clear picture.
You needed slo-mo to catch Pacquiao's gloves on Marquez' skin.
You cant properly judge a fighters reaction to the punch when you watch on slo-mo.
A fighter has no reaction to the punch, it was'nt effective. Plain and simple.
When you dismiss thrown punches like they're nothing more than a harmless nuisance fly, that shows you how effective they were.

 

Figure out why Marquez is marked up in almost everyone of his fights, dominating or not?

Just a few grazing type shots can mark up the face of a fighter, particularly one like Marquez who is known to mark up easily.
To grasp at that one issue of Marquez face being more marked than Pacquiao's is ridiculous.
You want to see the effects of a face that been hit heavy with clean heavy connects, take a look at Meldrick Taylor's face after he'd been brutalized by JC Chavez.
Now thats a face that showed the disparity between a flurrier like Taylor and a consistently landing right hand monster connects of Chavez.

 

I have noticed that much of your argumentation is built up around a kind of ******* paranoia. Does that aspect really ad anything of value to the threads?

JMM landed the best punches of the fight. But I dont think we can write Pacs "good shots" out of equation. And the reason to why you admitt that Pac landed any good shots at all is because "*******s" have harassed you with slow mo GIF's. In your earlier posts you claimed Pac never landed anything of value.

Here we have the problem in a nutshell. Slow mo showes Pac landing in JMM face over and over again. How can you gauge if they hurt JMM or not? You where not the one eating the shots.

But we can clearly see JMM backing away when eating that counter hook. Why if he not was hurt?

False. Pac was happy landing single shots and then move away.

All? No, he did not.

I think it has been suggested he ought not to be outlanded to win the rounds.

How do I know if I am ******* or simply an observer?

 

Thank you for your answer. I agree JMM is not slow. It was lazy expressed. I have read your argumentation, and I think I understand your points. I dont agree, though. You can see facial expression of pain fine in slow mo as well. And I dont think you can score a fight on reactions on punches, because it gets to complicated to label. A punch can hurt even if you keep a straight face.

 

but he didn't though-he didn't land any more consistently than JMM did...

IN FACT-JMM LANDED THE CLEANER PUNCHES-:deal

JMM wasn't tagged "too much"..he was tagged "too much" with FM...he actually made Pac look very sloppy through most of the fight

At one point, Pac was spitting up blood out his mouthhat

 

:rofl:rofl:rofl WOW another tampax bursting to overflowing:yep

Proberbly those blind mice who scored the 1st Castillo/Mayweather fight along with Khan/Peterson so quit yer bleating *****

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I agree with all this. I dont talk about JMM beeing marked up. I am talking about seeing Pac landing in JMM's face during the rounds.

 

The puches JMM landed where pure beuty, man.

But did he outbox Pac for the bigger part of the fight? Thats not what I saw. I saw Pac landing armpunches and then getting out of the way, while JMM was missing with many of his shots. I think the way Pac moved away gave many observers the impression JMM was landing on him, forcing him back.

 

I scored the Pac-JMM 3 fight based on

Ring Generalship-JMM
Defense-JMM
Clean/Effective Agression-JMM
Cleaner and Harder punches landed-JMM

JMM killed Manny on the ring generalship-Pac couldn't deal with all the pivot's which took his angles away as fast as Pac took em-JMM got the angles right back-

Defense-NO argument here-JMM was much tigher on his defense

JMM landed much cleaner and harder punches(please do not reference the fighters face cuz i'll reference pac's face after Clottey)

JMM had more effective aggression..he was able to place better combinations, and land the hardest punches of the fight.

 

I didn't see this, nor did most fans watching this fight-MOST fans (casual and hardcore) saw what I saw, which was Pac getting beat up most of the fight-

Pretty much, everyone other than *******s, had JMM winning-The majority of people thought Pac lost that fight easy.