Who won - Simpson or Smith?

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  1. Scotty321

    Scotty321 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It was a close fight but it wasn't a horrible verdict (on 2 out of 3 cards anyway). Simpsons history of losing out has just fanned the flames.
     
    Scotty321, Apr 27, 2011
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  2. Mandanda

    Mandanda SkillspayBills Full Member

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    Simpson by two.
     
    Mandanda, Apr 27, 2011
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  3. Fileepe

    Fileepe Member Full Member

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    Smith by 1 and i think it was the last one that edged him the point, i defo seen the better work by Swifty in the last.
     
    Fileepe, Apr 27, 2011
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  4. rooq

    rooq Rooq's Boxing Promoter Full Member

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    I gave smith rounds 1, 2, 3, 7, 10 and 12. I gave simpson 5 rounds and scored one even - cant remember which
     
    rooq, Apr 27, 2011
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  5. boxingscorecard

    boxingscorecard Active Member Full Member

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    simpson by 2 , the o connor guy should be demoted
     
    boxingscorecard, Apr 27, 2011
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  6. troy

    troy Well-Known Member Full Member

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    maybe now everyone can stop bangin on about smith being a fantastic talent ,he should be dealing with the likes of simpson whos really domestic level ....have always said the smith brothers are way overrated.
     
    troy, Apr 28, 2011
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  7. Z Man

    Z Man Member Full Member

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    hey john had to take the smith fight.. smith was mandatory after frank warren kicked up a fuss...

    fight was absolute balls!!!! swifty is a terrible fighter... were was all this talent ... again he spoiled the fight hold on hold on hold on.... absolute terrible fight.... thought ur hugfest was only coz u broke your hand swifty ?? told you u were talking p*sh!!


    simpson did not deserve to lose that belt lastnight, anyway think the road is over for simpson, cant see him coming back from this one and why would he want to ??

    boxing is so corrupt !!:twisted:
     
    Z Man, Apr 28, 2011
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  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    One thing I will say is that in times gone passed, Simpson would likely have won that fight. When I score fights I try to adopt the scoring habits of the judges of the era - so I won't score Gonzalez-Ibarra in the same "style" as Simpson-Smith. If I was scoring this fight as a 50's fight, i'd have Simpson up clear.

    In my honest opinion, you don't have to be a corrupt judge to get a Smith win out of that mess under modern scoring rules, rules meant loosely. I don't even think, speaking as a Simpson fan, that you need to be corrupt to get that O'Connor card.

    If this fight were scored in the 1930's, say, Smith would have been penalised for holding (probably) and there would have been a LOT of drawn rounds on the cards. Now, the judges have to call most of those rounds. When you're forced as a judge to call rounds that are achingly close (and the way modern fights tend to be scored, they were close rounds), you can kick up some weirdness because judges do tend to favour certain styles/types of work. In a round they see as even they will score for the man that has the style/does the type of work they like. They may also favour the man they consider superior.

    I'm not saying there wasn't shinaningans here, just that this result is possible without.
     
    McGrain, Apr 28, 2011
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  9. ed7890

    ed7890 Col. Hunter Gathers Full Member

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    I gave it to Smith, thought he got the start of the fight, Simpson took the middle but Smith took the end. It was really close though, so i have no qualms about somebody having it a draw or giving it Simpson.

    The only thing is, to the people who are lambasting Smith for holding, when Smith would get something going, Simpson was holding on as well, especially as the fight was going on.
     
    ed7890, Apr 28, 2011
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  10. wrimc

    wrimc Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is pretty much how i saw it Smith early Simpson middle Smith late with a second wind/heart.

    John was just as guilty as Smith imo at times people are laying the blame at Smiths feet for some reason.
     
    wrimc, Apr 28, 2011
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  11. ryanm8655

    ryanm8655 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yep, he could've had points deducted for the hitting behind the head, would've been harsh but he kept on doing it.

    Richie Woodhall made a good point about smith, he'll throw his shots and then his feet remain in the same place allowing him to get hit back. Needs to sort that out. The jab wasn't straight enough a lot of the time as well.
     
    ryanm8655, Apr 28, 2011
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  12. DON1

    DON1 ICEMAN Full Member

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    I feel Sorry for Simpson. He won both fights.
     
    DON1, Apr 28, 2011
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  13. ScubaSteve

    ScubaSteve Dwylo o Garreg Full Member

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    I don't get your issue?

    Smith clearly won 80% of rounds with clean work and stifling Simpsons inside game, if anything I'd have scored it to Smith by a wider margin...
     
    ScubaSteve, Apr 28, 2011
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  14. ChristoDuran

    ChristoDuran Member Full Member

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    I had Smith by 6 rounds. Does anybody know if Greggs do deliveries?
     
    ChristoDuran, Apr 28, 2011
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  15. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    The voting looks clear to me. Simpson got jobbed :)
     
    achillesthegreat, Apr 28, 2011
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