Who won the H2H, Ali or Norton?

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Who won the H2H, Ali or Norton?

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  1. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic Who is ready to suffer for Christ (the truth)? Full Member

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    For simplicity there is no third option.
     
  2. themaster458

    themaster458 Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Norton clearly won the first second was close but in thought Norton edged it. Third I haven't watched fully but I think general consensus is that Norton was robbed so overall Norton was the one fighter Ali could never clearly beat.
     
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  3. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    First fight was clearly Norton. Second fight was close, but Ali stole it with the last round. Even Norton admits that fight was close and that he should've been more aggressive in the last round (a bad habit of his in long fights).

    Third fight, imo Norton won by being busier and just boxing better overall. I think he landed more punches too. Ali had grown lazy during this time frame, got pudgy, and just didn't have that burning fire in him anymore. Norton had better accuracy, better defense, and was often in control of the pace. Ali did ok in the early rounds being uncharacteristically aggressive, then tried to coast by being passive and lax (I guess he was attempting a rope a dope?). When Ali realized he was in trouble he tried to stick and move, but couldn't sustain it. It was as if he had no real plan B and really thought he could KO Norton.
     
  4. Smoochie

    Smoochie Boxin' dreamer Full Member

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    Trite debate but imagine not votin' Norton after all these years.
     
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  5. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s Full Member

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    In the first fight Ali was very out of shape Norton was hungry and not seen as a threat. In the third fight Ali was shot - the second fight Ali needed to win and Norton was in his prime.
    I’d say the second fight is representative of about how it should’ve been the first time - close but with the better fighter just overcoming the style issue.
    In the 60s before Muhammad Ali began to deteriorate it’d have been close but less so, the flaws are still there but he’d have just done better because he was back then.
     
  6. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This thread made me think how much better Ali was at overcoming stylistic mismatches than his nemeses Frazier and Norton. He fought six competitive fights against both of them. When those gentlemen met their stylistic nemeses they fared poorly.
     
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  7. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic Who is ready to suffer for Christ (the truth)? Full Member

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    Foreman
     
  8. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s Full Member

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    Let’s say Muhammad Ali had beat Norton caught it close what would Nortons fate have been? In 73 going on 74 I think Ali would’ve left Norton for better business the way he did Young.
    Kenny probably gets knocked out of the ratings at some point while Muhammad is fighting Frazier and Foreman what would his route to a title shot have been?
     
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  9. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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  10. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Voted for Ali because I misread the title. Norton own THE head to head, yes. But head to head, Norton never even faced the best Ali and would have been completely lost.
     
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  11. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ken Norton vs Muhammad Ali 1

    1 Ali
    2 Norton
    3 Ali
    4 Norton
    5 Norton
    6 Norton
    7 Norton
    8 Ali
    9 Norton
    10 Norton
    11 Ali
    12 Norton

    116-112 Norton

    Ken Norton vs Muhammad Ali 2

    1 Ali
    2 Ali
    3 Ali
    4 Ali
    5 Norton
    6 Ali
    7 Norton
    8 Norton
    9 Ali
    10 Norton
    11 Norton
    12 Ali

    115-113 Ali

    Ken Norton vs Muhammad Ali 3

    1 Ali
    2 Norton
    3 Norton
    4 Norton
    5 Norton
    6 Norton
    7 Ali
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    9 Ali
    10 Ali
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    13 Norton
    14 Ali
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    143-142 Norton
     
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  12. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Throw this out there. Ed Schuyler who covered boxing for AP and is in the IBHOF as a writer scored the third fight for Ali and the second fight for Norton. He even watched it again to write an article for ESPN in 2010 and if my memory is correct and scored It the same way.
     
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  13. SwarmingSlugger

    SwarmingSlugger Active Member Full Member

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    Norton unfortunately was a real tough cookie for Ali, though he never was for anyone with a punch. Norton was awkward etc and all that jazz but him getting the better of Ali speaks more to Ali's flaws than it does Norton's strengths.
     
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