Who won the rivalry between Emmanuel Dapidran Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez?

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  1. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Most men in the industry, whose opinions matter infinitely more than yours, disagree with everything you have said.
     
  2. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Marquez wasn't robbed. They were close fights. Manny won.

    Robbery is like Chavez/Whitaker.
     
  3. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    The third fight?

    To award the victory to a man who lost on just about everyones' scorecards 116-112, some closer but an equal amount wider as well, is pretty sour.
     
  4. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    The third fight is the hardest to score in favor of Manny. I personally had it a draw. But Manny won the fight.

    And also neither man was really near their best at that point either. Not shot by any means but clearly had seen their better days pass them by.

    The defining fights are the first two where two great fighters had the courage to face each other at their best.
     
  5. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Well, that's a surprisingly refreshing post from you. Credit for that.
     
  6. Super Hans

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    Just about everyone's? Or is that everyone in the biased Mayweather fanboy club?

    [url]http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Manny_Pacquiao_vs._Juan_Manuel_Marquez_%283rd_meeting%29[/url]

    57 for Maquez, 51 for Pacquiao, 31 a draw from the press

    Not even 50% actually scored it for Marquez let alone had him winning 116-112
     
  7. Beouche

    Beouche Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

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    not so much a rivalry.... more of a schooling then annihilation
     
  8. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    And you could find the link that shows the scores of just peer boxers and trainers or the link to ESB polls which support what I said. But OK.
     
  9. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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  10. Super Hans

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    You find the link to back up your argument that 'just about everyone' scored Marquez a clear winner, or are you going to go off the ESB polls full of fanboys and trolls.

    Or are the fanboys and trolls what you class as: Most men in the industry, whose opinions matter infinitely more than yours,
     
  11. texboxing00

    texboxing00 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I still dont find the 3rd fight close at all. Manny won a couple of rounds but for the most part he just looked frustrated and was missing left and right. Jmm had complete control of the pace, worked the body beautifully and landed some mean shots. Manny had his moments but very few in between. Wwhen people mention manny won because he was the aggressor, i remember seeing many walk and move quickly just to get countered.

    All good fights, but the easiest fight to score in my opinion is the 3rd fight.
     
  12. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    In pro boxing being the aggressor counts. As do having more power.

    I actually think Manny deserved the first two fights solidly. Especially the 2nd. At their best Manny had too much power.
     
  13. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Fatality.
     
  14. texboxing00

    texboxing00 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Aggression its self is not a factor. Key word is effective aggression, which in my opinion manny lacked in this fight. Not because manny was bad, but because marquez was on point that night and made pac look sloppy.

    For example, marquez vs bradley...marquez was the aggressor, some people here call me juan**** but i will be the first to tell you that jmm was extremely sloppy and was outclassed. His aggression was not a factor because he was just beat in every other factor.
     
  15. Zimornsky

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    Manny Pacquiao is 2-0 against Marquez.

    Manny Pacquiao is 1-1 against Roidquez.