Who Won The Roy Jones Vs Bernard Hopkins Rivialry?

coward is a bit far to use for a boxer.

I think you mean cowardzaghe




but more importantly his fans who cling to his lie about fear of flying, when its become now so blatantly clear it was a lie to prevent him lpicking up losses.

 

Hopkins was busy winning fights and titles against legit competition while Jones was getting his Glass Jaw shattered all over the World.

Hopkins > Jones.

 

Against smaller guys and only moved up in weight once Roy was no longer a factor keep reaching kid you will,get ther one day :hi:

 

Can't say I disagree

 

cowardzaghe won the rivalry

 

is roy contemplating fighting an amateur on reality tv while hopkins is contemplating fighting golovkin?

hopkins > jones

 

Hopkins.

 

no cowardzaghe won by beating them in the 40s though both still knocked him clean over.

 

Brighton bomber,


Sorry for the late reply.

It was his prerogative to remain at MW, and we all know it's a prestigious division. He chose what he wanted to do and that's fair enough. But in my opinion, he stayed because he was content doing what he was doing, not because it wouldn't have made sense to move up. If he'd have really wanted to have fought the best competition, he'd have moved up. Yes, the cards would have been stacked against him at first, but again, I'm sure he could have landed himself some big fights at SMW-LHW after a year or so. His title defences look great on paper, but not when you look at who fought at MW, and who fought at SMW-LHW during his reign.

I'm pretty sure that when Roy first signed to fight Mike, there was no title at stake. But to push the promotion, HBO and the WBC made the fight for the interim belt.

The fight against Mike wasn't a big fight for Roy, and it actually put him in a bit of a no-win situation. But he took it because it was a gateway into a new division. Roy couldn't unify at SMW, because in late 96, he couldn't fight Liles for the WBA belt or Nardiello for the WBC belt.

Roy gets a lot of heat for his resume and who he missed out on, but what a lot of people don't realize, is that Roy could have stayed at SMW for a long time had he have wanted to. Roy could have remained at the weight and repeatedly defended his belt against IBF mandatory opposition, knowing that no unification fights were on the horizon. This is what irks me about heaping praise on Bernard's MW reign. Roy could have had a reign like that. Realistically, who was going to beat him at SMW, if the likes of Liles and Calzaghe etc didn't want to fight him? Roy could have reigned for a long time waiting for the other titles to change hands while he racked up the victories. But in my honest opinion, had he have done that, he'd have been criticised for not moving up.

I'm willing to accept that everyone's circumstances are different and that Bernard didn't have the opportunities that Roy had. But even if he had've had earlier title shot opportunities at SMW-LHW, I don't think he'd have taken them anyway. Again, he wouldn't fight Roy in what would have been a huge fight in 2002, so what makes you think he would have taken other big fight opportunities had they have been available to him?

It's not unrealistic at all, if you want the best fights out there.

Again, this is exactly what Bailey says about Joe Calzaghe when he was at SMW. He often asks "Why would Joe have dropped his WBO belt at SMW, and then moved up to LHW just hoping he'd have landed a huge fight against Roy?"

If you want the best, you have to make concessions and take risks. But again, who's to say that Bernard would have left the division even if he'd have had a shot?

I've no doubt that it was due a lack of ambition.

He had a choice to make. But if he really wanted Roy as much as he said he did, and he thought he could beat him, he'd have taken the fight. Fighting the unified LHW champ who was considered by many as the best fighter on the planet, had to have been bigger than trying to beat Marvin's record. Marvin was a small MW, who often weighed well under 160, with same day weigh-ins. Again, in my opinion, Bernard trying to equal that record wasn't all that. Also, there's a slight chance that he may have been able to have done both, as a fight against Roy would have been at a CW.

Again, if he'd have wanted Roy as much as he claimed in all of his interviews, he'd have found a way to make it happen.

In my honest opinion, he was never going to fight Toney at CW.

Sure, but again, I don't think he should have been at MW at that point.

Agreed.


At the end of the day, Bernard made history, and if people want to heap praise on him, that's up to them. All I'm doing is, trying to get people to take a closer look.

Again, I don't think it's that special. Marvin was a natural MW with same day weigh-ins. For the majority of his career, there was no SMW division, and he was far too small to ever contemplate moving up to LHW.

Bernard was bigger and he had options that weren't open to Marvin. So again, holding the MW record isn't that impressive to me. I think it needs putting into perspective. Roy moving up to LHW and HW, and then dropping back to LHW, was much more of an achievment in my opinion.


:good

 

How?

 

Roy by a decent measure.

Both in terms of accomplishment and h2h.

 

1-1 :smoke

 

I've watched the Dawson clip numerous times, and I honestly believe it was exaggerated. Not the injury, but how he fell back so hard and fast.