Who would have been the greatest with discipline?

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  1. Stonehands

    Stonehands Member Full Member

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    Anyone posting on specific forums such as this one is a 'hardcore' fan in my book, and I really don't have anyone around me to discuss boxing with at all on a non casual level haha. So I would like to hear you guys' thoughts.

    For example, it is widely known in the 'hardcore' NBA community that Shaq under achieved, regardless of all of his accolades. If he had Jordan/Kobe level discipline, he would have been the undisputed GOAT.

    Who are some great examples in boxing? It usually boils down to ultra naturally talented athletes without discipline, who end up under achieving.

    There are actually SO MANY EXAMPLES I could think of, even a guy like Broner.

    I think James Toney. Dude probably trained 20% as much as his opponents, if not less... Him just showing up at the Kronk and yelling "who's ready for pain" then proceeding to give everyone work is just stuff of legends. He is the most extreme case of ridiculous amount of talent and lazy I could think of.
     
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  2. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    With his problems with Cocaine I have to say guys like Leonard and Whitaker
     
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  3. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bowe, Toney... I'm not saying Tua would be ATG, but he would definitely achieve more than he did has he had an ounce of discipline
     
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  4. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    It's insane what Ruben Olivares achieved given his disdain for training.
     
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  5. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yeah Toney definitely fits the bill, at his best beat McCallum at his worst needed a gift decision vs Tiberi. Had he been a gym rat he might have been something truly special, but having said that what he achieved was still damn impressive.

    Plenty of other guys could of done more had they been more disciplined. Buster Douglas for sure, Bowe too. While I think we saw the best of Bowe vs Holyfield he could never sustain it. Kirkland Laing definitely could of done more, but being a alcoholic and drug addict ruined any potential he had apart from the Duran win.

    Tyrell Biggs was ruined by drug use, he was meant to be the next big thing not Tyson but fame after winning gold in 84 I guess took away any chances he had.
     
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  6. MaxDamage

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    Hector Camacho, Zab Judah, Naseem Hamed. Just imagine what Hamed could do if he is actually serious.
     
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  7. fistsof steel

    fistsof steel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Mayorga was a chain smoker and i dont think a serious trainer also...
     
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    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    Chavez sr
     
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  9. Dangerwood84

    Dangerwood84 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Surely Frankie Gavin is a prime example here.
     
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  10. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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    Bowe
     
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  11. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is a long list,,,,Frankie Randall
     
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  12. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

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    Toney is an ATG. There were times he trained really hard he just was not as good an athlete as a Roy Jones. He is what he is a highly skilled technician with sound fundamentals.
     
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  13. Philly161

    Philly161 "Fundamentals are the crutch of the talentless" banned Full Member

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    I think sky was the limit for bert cooper if he had discipline and stayed clean
     
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  14. vargasfan1985

    vargasfan1985 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Rahman.

    I meant to say greatest in his era, Tyson gets my vote for ATG.
     
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  15. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Golota had a ton of talent but was mentally warped.
     
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