Who would have had a better shot?

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  1. brownpimp88

    brownpimp88 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Monzon and Hagler both get criticized for not going after the Light Heavyweight championship. During Monzon's reign as champ, bob foster was the champ from 1970-1974, and then galindez and conteh were champs. For the vast majority of hagler's title run, michael spinks was champ and prior to him, the 3 Muhammads were the champions. Who in your opinion would have had a better shot at being light-heavyweight champion?
     
  2. C. M. Clay II

    C. M. Clay II Manassah's finest! Full Member

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    Since Spinks was more proven vs. heavyweights than Foster was, I would say Monzon has the better chance.:good
     
  3. bladerunner

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  4. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Monzon, though I reluctantly say so.

    Spinks durablity was proved as a LHW beating out the best fighters before moving up to HW and taking on Larry Holmes. Hagler wouldve been, outboxed, befuddled and hurt and then stopped.

    I seriously doubt that Monzon would fare any better than Marvin but by the slimmest of margins I think his chances were better.
     
  5. Manassa

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    Spinks would not stop Hagler, bar a freak cut. A fighter does not go from being practically invincible at 160lbs to being stoppable at 175, regardless of the puncher. Spinks most likely hit harder than any fighter Hagler faced, but it wasn't by some astronomical amount - we aren't comparing a lightweight to a heavyweight here - it's only fifteen pounds in weight, I wouldn't exaggerate its effect. If anything, Monzon is being stopped here; Foster was far more of a predator than Spinks, and Monzon's durability was arguably slightly less than that of Hagler's (but I don't think Monzon would be stopped either).
     
  6. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    15 lbs is a great deal.

    Hagler was durable, not invincible and yes he could be stopped.
     
  7. Manassa

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    I said Hagler was 'practically invincible' at 160lbs - are you denying that?

    Fifteen pounds is a fair gap, but as I said, not an astronomical amount that means a once immortal fighter starts getting bashed about and detached from his senses. You might have had a stronger argument if Spinks was a hunter like Foster, but he wasn't; he boxed a lot more and would probably be put on the back foot by the shorter Hagler often in their clash.
     
  8. Jbuz

    Jbuz Belt folder Full Member

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    Agreed.

    Both Monzon and Hagler had granite chins, and were near unstoppable at 160. Neither would be getting stopped, though Monzon is the more likely of the two, considering the immense power Foster carried at 175.

    Tough to say who had a better chance, probably Hagler.
     
  9. JohnThomas1

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    Neither is winning. If Hagler tries to force the win it's lights out, and Monzon may or may not last the distance.
     
  10. RoccoMarciano

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    Probably Monzon. Hagler seemed content at middleweight.
     
  11. janitor

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    I think that Haglers style would be far more suited to steping up in weight.

    Monzon relied verry heavily on his physioical advantages which would be removed at light heavyweight. In Hagler I see a lot more that I could work with against a bigger opponent.
     
  12. brownpimp88

    brownpimp88 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Interesting? Could you explain your theory?
     
  13. janitor

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    Monzon was verry much a fighter who used his physical advantages in height and reach to dominate his oponents. When you put him up against sombody who exceeds him in these parameters he could be in trouble.

    Fighters who have beaten good bigger men have tended to do it by working on the inside. They also tend to have both good power and good chin. Haglers style can be adapted to this better than Monzons.

    Like I say I see more that I could work with in Hagler.
     
  14. brownpimp88

    brownpimp88 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So, in your opinion Bob Foster would outclass monzon in every way while hagler could potentially give mike spinks a tough fight? I would pick Foster to knock monzon out by the way, not exactly sure if hagler would give spinks a good fight.
     
  15. janitor

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    In a nutshell yes.

    I dont think either would win but Hagler would have the tools to give Spinks some problems. Mickey walker was able to beat a lot of much bigger fighters by working the inside.

    I would also note that Hagler used to knock about heavyweights in sparring.